been very sick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally

Sally, I’m so glad you found out what you have and that it’s being treated. I was really worried. You take care of yourself and don’t think you’re being selfish for doing it. After all, you can’t really help or support anyone else if you’re not operating at 100%, in any situation (though I’ve done it, as we all have . (((((((((((((((((((Sally)))))))))))))))))))) Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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((((((Sally)))))) Get lots of rest and update when you are up to it… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sending lots of get-well hugs your way, Sally! I’m so glad to hear that you finally know *what* it is… Hopefully, each day will bring improvement and you’ll soon feel much better! Best wishes! MikeH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed.

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Lordy, You don’t do things by halves. Rest up. love Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally

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Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Sally, I’m sorry to hear that your ill.  I also have the same virus, along with Epstein Barr Virus.  I know how tired it can make you.   Take good care of yourself     (((((Sally))))) Love Cathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys…..

You are missed here too Sally, but just concentrate on getting better and believe me when I say that you are not being selfish. You are being very sensible and taking care of yourself. Caz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I am so sorry sweetie!  You just take care of yourself.  Keep us posted only when you can.  I sure hope you feel better real soon.  {{{{{{{Sally}}}}}}} Love, Di xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed.

Wow Sally.  Please take good care of yourself.  We will miss you until you feel better, but that’s better than pushing yourself too much and taking longer to heal. (((Sally))) Tony — — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally

Sweetie, I’m so glad you’re getting better, and it will be gone soon. Call me when you need company. Pamper yourself. Love you just as dearly, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I hope it all clears up for you Sally. Don’t let your foot drop ;^) — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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highanxiety schreef: Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted.

Dear Sally, Please take good care of *you*! I’m happy that the prognosis is so good, that must be quite a relief. I hope it won’t take too much time but in the meantime I am sending *good vibes* (whatever that may be across the Atlantic. They never fail! ((((Sally))) Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally

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<gently snipped ::It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s ::going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. ::I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all ::do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking ::care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be ::aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems ::to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m ::sick. Not allowed. Dear Sally, I’m sorry you are sick, but am glad that you finally know what is going on. There is nothing selfish about wanting to take care of yourself. It is actually a very wise and loving thing to do for yourself. Speedy get well wishes being sent your way! (((((Sally))))) Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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that sounds really lousy! sorry to hear. hope you get well soon!! -z-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAPM. I miss you guys. I haven’t been posting. Haven’t been able, and probably won’t for awhile. I was waiting to find out what I had before I posted. I contracted a virus called Cytomegalovirus. From what I understand most people get it and develop antibodies and don’t ever go symptomatic, but I have. I think I got mine and some other peoples’ symptoms is what I think. You can Wikipedia it. Basically, It has given me mono and hepatitis at the same time. I’ve also got the foot drop, so walking has been extremely hard. That’s also complicated because I’ve got incredible edema in my feet and ankles and legs. I am supposed to get a diuretic called in for me today. I also have pneumonia. It is a virus, and I am getting better and my prognosis is that it’s going to go away. I’m sitting here posting, so that proves I’m better. I’ve just been very ill, my friends. Some of you knew it. Now you all do. I’ll be back when I’m back. I’m being selfish now and just taking care of me, that’s all my energy will allow. I wanted you all to be aware of my situation, but know that I feel better. Healing just seems to be a bit of a slow process. Nobody have any catastophies while I’m sick. Not allowed. Love you all dearly, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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daily Infergen/Riba-week 6 Depression Questions

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daily Infergen/Riba-week 6 Depression Questions: I am in week 6 of taking 3 pills of Riba in the morning and in the eveninging with a gut shot of NON pegalated Infragen each afternoon. Main Symptoms: achy nausea body and vampire like fear of outdoors and light and going places and people and sound. Unable to make descisions, focus or concintrate. I have this almost subliminal panic nervousness in the back ground like a car idling in the driveway all the time. Not "getting things done" and knowing I may lose a year to being "out of touch"  is really bothering me. I don’t feel "depressed" or suicidal but my Nurse Practioner says this all may actually be a kind of depression and I ought to coincider antidepressants. So please advise. My background makes me feel like taking anti-depressants is "giving in" and I will have to carry the social stigmata of "having had to take mentally ill pills" the rest of my life. I can see the enemy attourney in court demanding "have you ever been treated for mental illness?" (I have been watching waaaaay too much Law and Order these last few weeks. I find a half dose of a mild tranq helps, but my medical people seem to really think mild tranqs are way more problematical than powerful anti-depressants. So what is your experience of anti-depressants? Are some easier to drop after words? Are some milder and don’t turn you into a drooling zombie? Thanks! —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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In article <1108606774_6…@news-east.n>,  Harald Sundt <h_su…@efn.org> wrote: [...] > So what is your experience of anti-depressants? Are some easier to drop > after words? Are some milder and don’t turn you into a drooling zombie? > Thanks!

I finished 24 weeks of the Peg/Riba combo 3 months ago.  I didn’t have anything against anti-depressants, I just didn’t think I’d need them. I was way wrong.  It was like the treatment was causing the chemical symptoms of depression even though I wasn’t depressed.  I went on Symbyax – a fast-acting combo of Prozac and something else and it made a huge difference for me.  I went off of it right after treatment (which in retrospect was too soon.) I don’t think you should worry about what other people might think about your taking anti-depressants.  I think from what you say about how you’re feeling that they may help you.  I know that was the advice I got from people here and it was good advice.  I would also agree with your medical people that tranquilizers can be more dangerous in terms of withdrawals later on. Do what you need to do to get through this.  You’re already doing something so hard that most people can’t imagine it.  If you need other meds to keep you more balanced out, take them. Gordo

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:19:54 -0800, Harald Sundt <h_su…@efn.org> wrote: > My background makes me feel like >taking anti-depressants is "giving in" and I will have to carry the >social stigmata of "having had to take mentally ill pills" the rest of >my life. I can see the enemy attourney in court demanding "have you >ever been treated for mental illness?" (I have been watching waaaaay >too much Law and Order these last few weeks. >I find a half dose of a mild tranq helps, but my medical people seem to >really think mild tranqs are way more problematical than powerful >anti-depressants.

Well there is already some stigma with having a disease like HCV so why not take it a step farther.  Seriously though, this treatment can cause depression and taking anti-depressants make sense.  Also, there are studies that show depression lowers response rates to tx.  And nobody has to has to know about all the medication you’re taking anyways.  Consider the anti-d’s just part of the tx.  Just like sometimes people have to take additional drugs to help with other side effects like too low RBC and WBC counts.  This isn’t about toughing it out.  It’s about doing what is necessary to clear the virus.  

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:19:54 -0800, Harald Sundt <h_su…@efn.org>, in message ID <1108606774_6…@news-east.n>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >Unable to make descisions, focus or concintrate. >I have this almost subliminal panic nervousness in the back ground like >a car idling in the driveway all the time. >Not "getting things done" and knowing I may lose a year to being "out >of touch"  is really bothering me. >I don’t feel "depressed" or suicidal but my Nurse Practioner says this >all may actually be a kind of depression and I ought to coincider >antidepressants. So please advise. My background makes me feel like >taking anti-depressants is "giving in" and I will have to carry the >social stigmata of "having had to take mentally ill pills" the rest of >my life. I can see the enemy attourney in court demanding "have you >ever been treated for mental illness?" (I have been watching waaaaay >too much Law and Order these last few weeks.

I had those feelings about anti-depressants too.  My concerns were about being in recovery from opiate addiction and not wanting to do anything that might involve backtracking towards that.  I say this because I have maintained total abstinence from "buzz" drugs for many years and didn’t want to change that pattern. However, I have experienced tx without anti-deprssants.  If I have to do tx again, I would be inclined to get on some kind of, hopefully "non-addictive", tranquilliser first.  My reservations are that they even said valium was non-addictive way back – so "they" can get it wrong sometimes. >I find a half dose of a mild tranq helps, but my medical people seem to >really think mild tranqs are way more problematical than powerful >anti-depressants.

I understand it’s an individual thing.  What’s right for one person isn’t right for another. >So what is your experience of anti-depressants?

My only personal experience with anti-d’s was to abuse them occasionally along with other drugs >Are some easier to drop >after words?

So I understand.  personally, I never got addicted to them as I abusage was infrequent. >Are some milder and don’t turn you into a drooling zombie? >Thanks!

Hang on.  I’ll let you know when I’ve wiped this dribble of my keyboard. — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email

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"Harald Sundt" <h_su…@efn.org> wrote in message

news:1108606774_6839@news-east.n… > daily Infergen/Riba-week 6 Depression Questions: > I am in week 6 of taking 3 pills of Riba in the morning and in the > eveninging with a gut shot of NON pegalated Infragen each afternoon.

If you’re taking Infergen, you need all the help you can get!  You have my total respect for making it so far–I didn’t last nearly as long.  The anti-d’s would probably benefit you a great deal.  It’s not "giving in"–it’s battling the effects of some truly horrifying drugs.  For now, you need to do everything you can do to get through this.  It won’t last forever.

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Put your damn space helmet on and get some anti-d’s immediately!  What’s the matter with you?  Your notions about the stigma associated with anti-d’s is utter crap.  It’s the DRUGS that are making you depressed, NOT mental illness.  Do yourself a favor and get on one right away, it takes a few weeks to get the full effect, time’s a wasting!  Don’t wait til your next appt to ask the doc…..call him/her and tell em you need a script today.  You can quit the anti-d’s when your tx is over.   6 weeks of Infergen, eh?  My hat’s off to you!  I can say I know what Infergen is all about….I’ve done it.  As far as the panic stuff goes, take some deep breaths, distract yourself with something pleasant and enjoy the trip.  Anti’d’s will help alot.   What’s your viral load?  When and how often is your doc testing it?   Elmo /////////// daily Infergen/Riba-week 6 Depression Questions   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Feb 16, 2005, 6:19pm (CST-2) From: h_su…@efn.org (Harald

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"DrBenway" <u…@usenet.net> wrote in message

news:pqbfu010rp9ptatj8qm8nmc5h0n905q3ta@4ax.com… > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:28:06 -0000, "Rasputin" > <ras.pu…@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hey Jon > Thanks for asking and very glad you appear to be another one > of us more fortunate "victims" of the dragon. (so far, anyway)

Thats the bind though you have to add the doing well "so far". > Still lifting weights, but my "lifting program" has cycled around to a > period of hi-rep/low load joint building phase and its tougher than > the hi load/low rep portion of the cycle (still gives me goals and a > sense of accomplishment)  I wonder if could see better gains when > my liver is cured of the virus. The liver plays such an important part > of muscle creation and metabolism in general

Good to here you are still lifting the weights. I am sticking with low rep and higher weights for most of mine. I was making good progress on my bench press just before starting treatment and have kept up with high weight lower reps for that one. If anything I have more motivation in the gym and when swimming I see each additional rep or increase in weight is another little victory over this treatment. Not sure about how much the liver and liver problems would hold back on muscle gains, I managed to pack on 35 pounds of muscle in the 4 years I have been weight training. When I kill this virus and have a healthy liver who knows maybe I will pack on even more. Good luck with number 9 tonight, it will be number 3 for me. Jonathan

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>But this all brings up a very good topic (perhaps for new thread?) >"Dose reduction, when did your doc cut your dose or add extra meds" >Think I’m going to start a thread >It could be really helpful for people who may have odd levels >but silent symptoms

My platelets dropped pretty quick during the first 2 months and then started climbing back up but I never went below 146 which was still within normal range.  My WBC plummeted in the first 2 months than tapered off with a low point of 2.0.  Hemoglobin and RBC fell slowly but steadily pretty much throughout with a low of 9.7.  The doc never blinked an eye or commented unless I asked because there was nothing remarkable for someone on tx.  And I felt pretty good.   You got to hang tough with tx because you don’t want to reduce your dosage unless you really have to.  Hope that shot goes down like a charm for you.

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"rasputin" <ras.pu…@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:cs6pai$oda$1@titan.btinternet.com… > I am injecting into my thigh somehow I can’t stomach the thought of > injecting in my tummy. I must keep an eye out to see if mine go bright red > first, both just seem to have come up as a bruise, I suppose it may be > related to the haemophilia.  The first shot one is still there 12 days later > though is, I think fading.

Bruising could be related to where you do the shot. You must be hitting a muscle or something other than just fatty tissue if your getting a bruise.  I did mine in my lower abdomen because I have the least likelihood of hitting anything there <g>.  I only got a small bruise the very first time when I was a little freaked about the shot and ended up poking myself twice, before I realized it doesn’t hurt.  After that I only got red spots related to the skin irritation.  Mine would last 2 weeks sometimes.  I just figured it was my body showing me where not to put the needle for those weeks. AG

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DrBenway wrote: > [...] >                    4th shot        2nd shot       Pre Peg > CBC                        12/14/04          11/30/04      10/12/04         > (WBC) (Neupogin?)   2.3*–            4.3 –            7.1 > [...] > Not taking Neupogin, Procrit or Neumega just noted as potential aids > if needed

If needed? Sorry for asking, man, but what does your doctor think about a 2.3 WBC? Better ask him. No mistery that there are doctors who would take you off TX with a WBC value of 2.3. cheers, jeeb

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"Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:ga_mondragon-A53EAD.00261014012005@nyctyp02-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… > In article <sd3eu0tsvm619uig58cekkk67uq09hl…@4ax.com>, >  DrBenway <u…@usenet.net> wrote: > [...] > > On a whim for shot 8 (my last) I used by thigh > > Wow, I found it a much easier and painless process ! > Everyone is different with this stuff, but I did my thighs the whole 24 > weeks with no red spots or bruising except for the one time I did my > belly instead, and that one time lasted for weeks in a red blotch that > would come and go.

Think I will stick to my thighs.

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It’s your poison! cactus jammies – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Rasputin" <ras.pu…@btinternet.com> wrote in message > Think I will stick to my thighs.

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For a nearly or completely pain free injection try 30 or 31 gauge,1/2 inch insulin syringes.I rarely even know that I’ve been stuck. BrianD "rasputin" <ras.pu…@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:cs6j1v$g62$1@sparta.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Quick question. My first injection site kind of bruised over after about 4 > or 5 days and is still there, my second site bruised up the next day.  On > me these do look like bruises and not the red splotch that alot of people > have mentioned. On average how long do these bruises / splotches last? > Cheers > Jonathan

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Karen must be a superwoman…three times a week.! I’m doing it in my thighs and the blotch lasts till the second shot after it. I’m not crazy about the stomach shot, I don’t really feel like there is enough body there.

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:19:00 +0100, ghibeluno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<ghibelno@__NOSPAMMEPLEASE__yahoo.it> wrote: >DrBenway wrote: >> [...] >>                        4th shot        2nd shot       Pre Peg >> CBC                    12/14/04          11/30/04      10/12/04         >> (WBC) (Neupogin?)       2.3*–            4.3 –            7.1 >> [...] >> Not taking Neupogin, Procrit or Neumega just noted as potential aids >> if needed >If needed? Sorry for asking, man, but what does your doctor think about >a 2.3 WBC? >Better ask him. >No mistery that there are doctors who would take you off TX with a WBC >value of 2.3. >cheers, >jeeb

Jeeb He seems to have no problem at all with it <Grin> "You are doing fine, Trust me" Yeah I was a bit worried myself especially when he said I think we can now go to 4 weeks between blood work! Judging from the Trend,   I could be 1.1 or lower by now!! What really pisses me off is 4 weeks later today my blood work results were due today and when I called the office for the outcome (before tonight’s shot) Surprise He’s off today and Monday (and his assistant never faxed me the Lab results she promised to send me either) So now  I take my shot tonight without knowing the results till next week sometime (inconsiderate Pricks) But on the other hand, not to be too alarmist (be still my Riba rage!) the Guide lines from Roche for Pegasys put a recommendation of a 50% reduction of Peg   only if the WBC drops to < 1.5  (STOP @ < 1.0) or platelets  < than 80  (STOP @ < 50) or nuetrophils < .75  (STOP @ < .5) They also predict overall percentage drops that are around what I’m showing (so far) So I’m still within specs but the outcome of this blood test would have told me if I should have trusted him or not! So Next week I’ll find out if I have a law suit (lots of luck) or to eat crow and tell him "hey you were right my counts leveled off" (or maybe I can arrange "a way" he can more intimately understand the HCV victims needs <VBG>) Well bottom line while I don’t particularly like the WBC being 2.3 (or platelets at 103 ) From what I’ve been able to read,  I’d have to disagree with you I don’t think most doctors who are going by the Roche recommendations would take someone off meds for a WBC of 2.3, at least not without having other indications in their other levels and symptoms or infections, complications etc. But I could certainly be wrong Anyone have any other info or experiences or comments here? I’m also taking the max dose 180mcg  Pegasys 1200 mg Copegesys daily (200lbs) and on the whole feeling pretty damn good so that may play into the equation of his verdict? But I still don’t like the fact that I am NOT getting feedback from him on my bloodwork immediately.   In any case Thanks for your input (of course like everyone here, while trying to keep up my spirit at some level I’m "a little more than concerned") <BFG> DB But this all brings up a very good topic (perhaps for new thread?) "Dose reduction, when did your doc cut your dose or add extra meds" Think I’m going to start a thread It could be really helpful for people who may have odd levels but silent symptoms Thanks  DrBenway (not a Dr nor did I play one on TV,   but used to play DR as a kid a lot if that counts)

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Re: injection site   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 7:55pm (CST+1) From: u…@usenet.net (DrBenway) On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:19:00 +0100, ghibeluno <ghibelno@__NOSPAMMEPLEASE__yahoo.it> wrote: DrBenway wrote:

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Week 20 and Itch

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:35:16 -0400, "Donald" <donaldkl…@charter.net> wrote: >Has anyone else had any similar reactions to either medicine? Could you >share that with me.

I had pretty bad rashes on my hands, but not all over the body. I remember others reporting worse rashes, though. You might be reacting to things like detergents or softeners in your clothes. If it’s really a severe allergic reaction, you may have to stop – but maybe it would respond to anti-allergic meds (Benadryl or similar)? I think folks had some relief with Aveena baths. Try to switch detergents, not to use fabric softeners, stuff like that. Thomas — To reach me, complete my last name in the address.

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Week 20 and Itch   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 7:35pm (CDT+1) From: donaldkl…@charter.net (Donald) Im in week 20 of 48 and dealing with a severe and annoying (itchy)skin rash on my ribs,back and legs. The only meds I have been taking are peg-intron and ribavirin. The Dr took me off the ribavirin for 10 days (im not sure 10 days is enough)to see if that was the culprit.Still have it. So were thinking that it may be the peg-intron. The Dr wants to consult with a DR in New York tomorrow about my situation.If I cant get rid of the allergy I cant see me staying with tx.This would be a great disappointment. Ill check with my Dr tomorrow to see if he got any info from the New York Dr.We’ll have to make a decision on the tx after that. Has anyone else had any similar reactions to either medicine? Could you share that with me. ////////////// Sounds like riba rash to me.  It drove me nuts and I scratched myself til I bled, but I refused to quit tx or reduce dosage because of it.  It takes a full month off the meds before the stuff goes away.  That was my experience.  I’d rather go nuts itching for awhile and stay on the meds than have to deal with hepc for the rest of my life.   Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Just like Elmo, the itching really got to me. In response I bought the economy size baby lotion and rubbed it wherever it even thought about itching, at least once a day. It gave me the sense that i was doing something, and i think it actually helped the symptoms. I finally settled on cocoa butter after using skads of baby lotion, but the main reason was that Walgreen’s had it on sale, and i am cheap I am usually a peaceful guy, but i found that in addition to the rash, the nausea, loss of appetite, fatigue, and what all, my worst enemy at one point became my irrational rage. Riba Rage had me telling off strangers, putting myself in the way of physically fighting (my last fight was in 1967), and in general disrupted my life almost as much as the depression did. Now i can look back and say it weren’t no big deal John

Yucky Pot

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"Marilyn Bachmann" <mmbachm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:xHFIc.641$mL5.414@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > I just love reading about Flin-Flan…I mean with MJ being the biggest cash > crop in BC, surely there are some expert growers around to give some > pointers…why not draft some of these busted grow-op folk to work on gov’t > MJ farms, or better yet, set up some grow-ops in federal prisons? Go to the > experts! Instead the neophyte gov’t is spending MILLIONS trying to learn how > to get a decent crop of THC..duh….

thats what people keep complainin bout!!!!!  if Pfizer made morphine and the goverbnment then tried to make some , and came up with a batch of crap,, that instead of being medical grade pure product it contained very high amounts of arsenic, lead, and cadnium,, toxic chemicals,, then you hear they grew it in a contaminated area and fed the plants with contaminated water from the contaminated lake next to the contaminated mine,,, i just cant understand it,,, it just makes no logical human sense,,,to me,, bobD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bobD" <phatbh…@REMOVEshaw.ca> wrote in message > news:hPEIc.1026$Mr4.725@pd7tw1no… > > the dope on the street is SAFER!!!! > > i bet the test results being independantly done will show the pot to be > > inferior shit!!!! > > if you need an active dose of 100mg of morphine to treat your pain,, and > the > > government permits you to buy their morphine which is only 40% of amount > you > > need to obtain pain releif , but labelled as 100mgs,, and sold for the > exact > > same price as other 100mgs pills of morphine which are pure and contain > > exactly 100mgs of morphine,, > > well ,,,, how fucking stupid do they think all us SICK people are,???, we > > are sick, not brain dead,,  we can do the math,, !!!! > > by the way , marco is a cool dude and sent me a strain of pot he grows ,,, > > not close to the potency of what i have here!!!!!! > > he is a www.treatingyourself.com   if i remember correctly,, if not > google!! > > he will send you fre marijuana seeds for you to start your own medical > > supply!!! > > also he is connected to Advanced Nutrients  , who supply FREE nutrients > and > > will set up your grow for FREE,, supply the 10 thousand dollars for all > > equipment needed and all the plants,, , set you up, and on your way for > > FREE,, well sort of ,, they will only need you end results info,, to be > able > > to supply the research on their grow system,, > > also for those who like neat insider info!!!! > >  the owners of Advanced Nutrietns are in Maple Ridge Bc,, friends of my > best > > buddy, who helped me set up years and years ago, the company is gathering > > test results on their grow system,, recently they built a grow system for > > patient Steve Kubby,, > >  if you want to see it as it was just set up and video is online ,, > >  www.advancednutrients.com    on their mainpage they have a search tool, > > type in ”urban grower”  and set it for Advanced nutrient site search not > > google,,  it will show the latest video by rainbow!!! > > the company will build you a similar grow system for totally FREE money!! > > all you do is provide them the result yield info,when you harvest, and > agree > > to use ONLY their FREE products,, grow food, flower boosting food, special > > root growth food,  CO2 exchanger,   sealed room,,,  and they will help the > > disabled folks with the growing,,, > > free,, just tell them how you do each time,, the grow equipment is > yours!!! > > oh ya you have to be a medical patient,, not just someone from Surrey BC!! > > and for safety???  check out steve kubby’s multiple alarm systems,, all > > connected to his local rcmp station,, so if anyone tries to harass his > > family the cops come fast!!!! no call is needed,, to protect them,,  the > > police are very happy with having this access to keep his medical drugs > from > > being boosted by kids, and sold on the street,,, in the community since he > > is very WELL known dope grower on the sunshine coast!!!! > > bobD > > ps – i could not figure out how to copy the url ,, its very very very very > > very long,, numbers letters, other strange lookin shit,, cripes i would > > still be typing it !!!!  so just visit AN and type urban grower in their > > search and click AN search not google,, watch the cool video,,  their site > > has alot of grow info ,, on all aspects of marijuana growing!!!!!!! > > "Marilyn Bachmann" <mmbachm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:icDIc.450$mL5.148@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > > > Medical users spurning new batch of ’stronger’ Health Canada marijuana > > >       Dean Beeby > > >       Canadian Press > > > Monday, July 12, 2004 > > > OTTAWA (CP) — Some patients are spurning a new batch of > > > government-certified marijuana, dismissing Health Canada claims that > it’s > > a > > > stronger, better quality smoke. > > > "It’s no good," Marco Renda, 45, said Monday from his home in Dundalk, > > Ont. > > > "I took two puffs and I put it out. > > > "It had a chemical taste to it. It didn’t taste right to me and it > didn’t > > > burn properly. It had no effect." > > > Prairie Plant Systems, which produces medical marijuana on contract for > > > Health Canada, began shipping a second batch of its product on May 21 > > after > > > getting bad reviews about the initial harvest. > > > Users complained the first batch last summer was too dry and powdery, > and > > > seemed far less potent than the package claim of THC content at 10.2 per > > > cent. THC is the primary active ingredient in marijuana. > > > Health Canada says the new batch is 12 per cent THC, plus or minus 1.5 > > > percentage points, has fewer leaves and twigs and more flowering tops, > > > making it a purer smoke. > > > "We’ve listened to complaints . . . that we’ve received from > stakeholders > > > about the moisture content in the product and of the potency," said > > > Catherine Saunders, spokeswoman for Health Canada. > > > "Informally, I’ve been told . . . that the feedback (on the second > batch) > > > has been positive overall." > > > But Renda, who runs a website for medical users, said that "whoever has > > > tried it has given me the feedback that it’s not worth it." > > > And a spokesman for Canadians for Safe Access, a Victoria-based group > > > representing medical users, is warning all patients away from the new > dope > > > at least until it completes new lab tests. > > > "Nobody should smoke this stuff until we see test results ourselves and > > > until we get an explanation from Health Canada about what happened with > > the > > > first batch," Philippe Lucas said Monday. > > > "We’ve called right now for a moratorium on the use, research and > > > distribution of this cannabis by all legal medical users." > > > Lucas says his group had the first batch tested by independent labs, > which > > > found the THC content to be less than half the advertised level of 10.2 > > per > > > cent. Internal documents from Health Canada also suggest the material > > > contains other potentially harmful contaminants, he said. > > > Health Canada disagrees, saying its own testing shows the marijuana has > > > acceptably low levels of contaminants and is as potent as claimed. > > > Currently, there are 70 licensed Canadians who have received Prairie > Plant > > > Systems marijuana, which costs $150 plus GST for a 30-gram bag. > > Forty-seven > > > licensed users have also received the company’s seeds to grow their own. > > > Patients say marijuana helps relieve a variety of symptoms caused by > AIDS, > > > hepatitis C, multiple sclerosis and other medical conditions. Health > > > Canada — which was required by the courts to provide the marijuana — > > says > > > the medical case for marijuana remains unproven. > > > Almost 600 users have been given permission to grow their own marijuana > > from > > > black-market seeds or to have designated growers cultivate it for them. > > > But some are concerned about Health Canada proposals to end private > > > cultivation of marijuana by 2007, forcing everyone to either buy > > government > > > dope or get it off the streets. > > > "Patients are pretty fed up with the Health Canada product, and they do > > want > > > alternatives," said Eric Nash, a licensed marijuana grower in Duncan, > > B.C., > > > whose operation provides for five patients. > > > "That’s the big key, is having a choice of supply rather than being > locked > > > into one supply." > > > Saunders said the supplier is examining other ways to improve the > product, > > > including changing the moisture content. > > > Health Canada’s $5.75-million contract with Prairie Plant Systems, which > > > grows its marijuana in an old mine shaft in Flin Flon, Man., ends next > > year. > > > The department is expected to put out to tender shortly two new > contracts > > to > > > grow government dope. > > > Health Canada is also rewriting regulations to allow a pilot program in > > > British Columbia to distribute government marijuana in pharmacies. > > >

C Reactive Protien (CRP) ???

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Has anyone experienced or has knowldege about elevated C Reactive Protein (CRP)???.  I’ve had a high CRP level since stopping tx.  I still have alot of joint and muscular problems.  All tests come back negative (which I am happy about) but my doc does not understand the cause for the problems.  He can only point to the continued elevated level of CRP which I am now understanding causes inflamation.  He doesn’t know what is causing the high CRP, though.   I’m kinda at my wits end here since this has been going on for quite some time and it has really gotten in the way of me getting back to a normal life.  I still get sudden flare-ups of tendenitis in my hands/wrists.  And the pain in hips, shoulders and other joint areas is, at times, pretty intolerable.  I just don’t get any answers for the cause of what is happening.  I am so frustrated. I haven’t felt comfortable in asking for help because so many of you are going through your tx and I know you have other concerns right now.  But as I have been reading and visiting here for awhile, I have been blown away about the knowledge that so many of you have – both pre and post tx.  I hope that some of my posts have helped you, now I really need yours.  I just have not gotten better since I finished tx.  Gallbladder had to go 8 months post tx and 4 gallbladder attacks.  When I told my BCLD about the first gallbladder attack (didn’t know it was the GB at the time) he said I needed to see a head doctor. Well… I went to one and he said my problems were not in my head.  After 3 more attacks, my mom (good ‘ol mom!!! lives 1200 miles away) said it sounds like your GB and sure enough, out it went.  When I was in the hospital recovering from surgery I saw my BCLD and he asked what was I doing there. Needless to say —-  what do you say???  I was just dumbfounded.  Anyway, my doc recommeded a well known research facility but my insurance denied it (I was real disappointed).  He is now trying another angle to get me there but I think my insurance is ready to dropped me (I made the mistake of calling them to see if they could help me get there – stupid me… I guess the old saying about desperation is true!)  so the old stress-o-meter has reached its’ peak.  I fought the damn dragon and won.  But this continued degradation in these areas of my body is really taking its’ toll and making me feel like giving up.  I miss the activity I use to do.  I’ve push through the pain and try to do my normal activities only having to pay for it with more pain. Sleep has not been my companion since any pressure on my hips keeps me awake.  Sleep eventually comes from exhaustion and that is not restful.  Knees have gotten steadily worse.  I bend down and although I am suppose to stop, I keep going until I hit the floor.  Wierd things pop up like the tendonitis thing.  Got it in January ‘02 in one hand and now have problems with wrist.  Got it in February of this year in the other hand, now having problems with that wrist, too.   Just woke up and there it was.  Whether you have posted in the past or not, if you are reading this and can help I would be ever so grateful.  With each day I hope that this is the day that will be my turning point and getting back to the way I use to be.  However, each day seems to just take me farther away from where I was. I’d appreciate any help you could offer. Jim  

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"Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040619235640.04141.00000195@mb-m26.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone experienced or has knowldege about elevated C Reactive Protein > (CRP)???.  I’ve had a high CRP level since stopping tx.  I still have alot of > joint and muscular problems.  All tests come back negative (which I am happy > about) but my doc does not understand the cause for the problems.  He can only > point to the continued elevated level of CRP which I am now understanding > causes inflamation.  He doesn’t know what is causing the high CRP, though. > I’m kinda at my wits end here since this has been going on for quite some time > and it has really gotten in the way of me getting back to a normal life. I > still get sudden flare-ups of tendenitis in my hands/wrists.  And the pain in > hips, shoulders and other joint areas is, at times, pretty intolerable.  I just > don’t get any answers for the cause of what is happening.  I am so frustrated. > I haven’t felt comfortable in asking for help because so many of you are going > through your tx and I know you have other concerns right now.  But as I have > been reading and visiting here for awhile, I have been blown away about the > knowledge that so many of you have – both pre and post tx.  I hope that some of > my posts have helped you, now I really need yours.  I just have not gotten > better since I finished tx.  Gallbladder had to go 8 months post tx and 4 > gallbladder attacks.  When I told my BCLD about the first gallbladder attack > (didn’t know it was the GB at the time) he said I needed to see a head doctor. > Well… I went to one and he said my problems were not in my head.  After 3 > more attacks, my mom (good ‘ol mom!!! lives 1200 miles away) said it sounds > like your GB and sure enough, out it went.  When I was in the hospital > recovering from surgery I saw my BCLD and he asked what was I doing there. > Needless to say —-  what do you say???  I was just dumbfounded.  Anyway, my > doc recommeded a well known research facility but my insurance denied it (I was > real disappointed).  He is now trying another angle to get me there but I think > my insurance is ready to dropped me (I made the mistake of calling them to see > if they could help me get there – stupid me… I guess the old saying about > desperation is true!)  so the old stress-o-meter has reached its’ peak.  I > fought the damn dragon and won.  But this continued degradation in these areas > of my body is really taking its’ toll and making me feel like giving up. I > miss the activity I use to do.  I’ve push through the pain and try to do my > normal activities only having to pay for it with more pain. Sleep has not been > my companion since any pressure on my hips keeps me awake.  Sleep eventually > comes from exhaustion and that is not restful.  Knees have gotten steadily > worse.  I bend down and although I am suppose to stop, I keep going until I hit > the floor.  Wierd things pop up like the tendonitis thing.  Got it in January > ‘02 in one hand and now have problems with wrist.  Got it in February of this > year in the other hand, now having problems with that wrist, too.   Just woke > up and there it was.  Whether you have posted in the past or not, if you are > reading this and can help I would be ever so grateful.  With each day I hope > that this is the day that will be my turning point and getting back to the way > I use to be.  However, each day seems to just take me farther away from where I > was. > I’d appreciate any help you could offer. > Jim

Omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil helps to reduce inflammation.  Might not hurt to take some CoQ10 too. Also, I can’t figure out if this is some type of arthritis from what you are saying.  If so, glucosamine and chrondroitin may be helpful with replacing some of the tissues between joints that are wearing away. SusieQ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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I’m really sorry you’re going through this, Jim.  Complain.  You have just as much right to complain here as anyone else.  You’ve given me really good advice.  Kinda hurts to think you’d give all that good advice and not talk about what was bothering you. I don’t know a solution but, as a former bodybuilder, I can tell you that you sound like a lot of older guys working out with weights.  The way they get around the pain is by NEVER doing a heavy exercise with cold muscles.  You have to move the painful places in a gentle way, picking up baby weights and doing repetitive movements until your joints re-learn how to handle heavier work.  I used to hurt in many joints, went to a sports medicine guy, and did these endless exercises he told me to do.  Fixed me right up.  (And I mean, really light exercises, like using two-pound weights). Probably doesn’t apply to you at all, but it’s all I can offer.  Hope you find a way out of this. Keith On 20 Jun 2004 03:56:40 GMT, jlm…@aol.com (Jim) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone experienced or has knowldege about elevated C Reactive Protein >(CRP)???.  I’ve had a high CRP level since stopping tx.  I still have alot of >joint and muscular problems.  All tests come back negative (which I am happy >about) but my doc does not understand the cause for the problems.  He can only >point to the continued elevated level of CRP which I am now understanding >causes inflamation.  He doesn’t know what is causing the high CRP, though.   >I’m kinda at my wits end here since this has been going on for quite some time >and it has really gotten in the way of me getting back to a normal life.  I >still get sudden flare-ups of tendenitis in my hands/wrists.  And the pain in >hips, shoulders and other joint areas is, at times, pretty intolerable.  I just >don’t get any answers for the cause of what is happening.  I am so frustrated. >I haven’t felt comfortable in asking for help because so many of you are going >through your tx and I know you have other concerns right now.  But as I have >been reading and visiting here for awhile, I have been blown away about the >knowledge that so many of you have – both pre and post tx.  I hope that some of >my posts have helped you, now I really need yours.  I just have not gotten >better since I finished tx.  Gallbladder had to go 8 months post tx and 4 >gallbladder attacks.  When I told my BCLD about the first gallbladder attack >(didn’t know it was the GB at the time) he said I needed to see a head doctor. >Well… I went to one and he said my problems were not in my head.  After 3 >more attacks, my mom (good ‘ol mom!!! lives 1200 miles away) said it sounds >like your GB and sure enough, out it went.  When I was in the hospital >recovering from surgery I saw my BCLD and he asked what was I doing there. >Needless to say —-  what do you say???  I was just dumbfounded.  Anyway, my >doc recommeded a well known research facility but my insurance denied it (I was >real disappointed).  He is now trying another angle to get me there but I think >my insurance is ready to dropped me (I made the mistake of calling them to see >if they could help me get there – stupid me… I guess the old saying about >desperation is true!)  so the old stress-o-meter has reached its’ peak.  I >fought the damn dragon and won.  But this continued degradation in these areas >of my body is really taking its’ toll and making me feel like giving up.  I >miss the activity I use to do.  I’ve push through the pain and try to do my >normal activities only having to pay for it with more pain. Sleep has not been >my companion since any pressure on my hips keeps me awake.  Sleep eventually >comes from exhaustion and that is not restful.  Knees have gotten steadily >worse.  I bend down and although I am suppose to stop, I keep going until I hit >the floor.  Wierd things pop up like the tendonitis thing.  Got it in January >’02 in one hand and now have problems with wrist.  Got it in February of this >year in the other hand, now having problems with that wrist, too.   Just woke >up and there it was.  Whether you have posted in the past or not, if you are >reading this and can help I would be ever so grateful.  With each day I hope >that this is the day that will be my turning point and getting back to the way >I use to be.  However, each day seems to just take me farther away from where I >was. >I’d appreciate any help you could offer. >Jim  

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Thanks, Elmo for your insight.  It was the first time I shared in detail some of the things that have been going on.  It is a bit frustrating since I am so grateful to be rid of the hep c.  My life prior to tx was very very active. But i got some good advice from Susie and Thom  and it’s also comforting that I know that it isn’t just me.  Not that I want anyone to have any problems post tx, it’s just now I feel if I post something that is going on with my body, I feel that there is someone experiencing something similar and hopefully can point me in the right direction to get the right type of relief.  As I find more information, too, I hope I can in turn help others if any problems develop.  I know I will fight this, just as strongly as the hep c, and get back to my active life as before.   Was real good hearing from you.  Hope you are doing well. Jim

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Hey SusieQ! Thanks so much for the advice and pointing me in a direction.  I have a place near me that sells that kind of stuff and that is where I will be  tomorrow. Regarding the arthritis thing, that is where my doc (PCP) thinks my problems most likely are – but he just doesn’t know how to treat it.  The clinic where he wants me to go has a specialty in rheumatology.  Hopefully I can get it approved through my HMO ( I’ve learned the hard way that HMO does not mean Help Me Out ha! ha!). Anyway, thanks again, I think that if I can get rid of the inflamation I will be alot better off.  The constant pain thing does wear on you after awhile. Jim

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Thanks, Thom, Really appreciate your response.  It’s also encouraging to read that it works for you.  I’m going to get these things tomorrow.  What I have now is pain med, but it only dulls the chronic ache and I really don’t want to take them since I don’t see them as a long-term solution.  The route you and SusieQ suggest sounds like the right way to go. Thanks again, Jim

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Hi Keith, Thanks for your response, and, no… what you said does apply.  It makes absolute sense.  Between what you mentioned and from what Susie and Thom wrote it sure beats what has been coming from my docs.  I’m getting a new picture now of how I’m going to get myself back. Also, Keith, I just need for you to know that the vast majority of folks don’t have these types of problems.  It just kind of happened I developed some strange things during tx.  On the bell-shaped curve, I know I’m way over on the other side.  I know I’ll get back to normal, just taking me a bit longer than most. You hang in there, take your meds on time and this thing will be over before you know it. Jim

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Smiling Wickedly,  Jim answered: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Keith, > Thanks for your response, and, no… what you said does apply.  It makes > absolute sense.  Between what you mentioned and from what Susie and Thom wrote > it sure beats what has been coming from my docs.  I’m getting a new picture now > of how I’m going to get myself back. > Also, Keith, I just need for you to know that the vast majority of folks don’t > have these types of problems.  It just kind of happened I developed some > strange things during tx.  On the bell-shaped curve, I know I’m way over on the > other side.  I know I’ll get back to normal, just taking me a bit longer than > most. > You hang in there, take your meds on time and this thing will be over before > you know it. > Jim

Jim, I’m not keith, But a Noobie just getting started on this whole ride. treatment hasn’t even started yet for me. Glad to see you’re doing ok. And hope you start feeling better soon. — Blackheart

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"Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040620133009.11616.00000206@mb-m11.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey SusieQ! > Thanks so much for the advice and pointing me in a direction.  I have a place > near me that sells that kind of stuff and that is where I will be tomorrow. > Regarding the arthritis thing, that is where my doc (PCP) thinks my problems > most likely are – but he just doesn’t know how to treat it.  The clinic where > he wants me to go has a specialty in rheumatology.  Hopefully I can get it > approved through my HMO ( I’ve learned the hard way that HMO does not mean Help > Me Out ha! ha!). > Anyway, thanks again, I think that if I can get rid of the inflamation I will > be alot better off.  The constant pain thing does wear on you after awhile. > Jim

Don’t let them get in to your pocket too deep.  They can come up with 15 more things to take and cost you hundreds of dollars.  So you might want to research anything else that sounds like something you’d want to add to your routine. There are mail order places that can be a lot cheaper than buying from local stores too.    SAMe might be another one to consider, but it can be a little costly.. We have an insurance company here called Stay Well.  I’m grateful I didn’t go with them.  The joke is, "Stay Well, or Go To Hell" because they have turned so many peoples treatment for various things down.  Everything is a battle with them seems like. Going to the specialist in rheumatology sounds like a good step.  Also, Thom is right about taking the glucosamine and chrondroitin continuously. You can’t take it for a couple weeks, and then give up on it.  It is a matter of replacing the tissues between joints, and that can take six months or longer.  Even after that, keep taking it to keep from backsliding. SusieQ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Jim, I’m sorry to hear your not doing so well. I agree with Suzies advice. I hear you about the pain pills. When you hurt and need them, well I was dependent on them for any kind of QOL. Take them if you need a break now and then. No sense in suffering too much. I think you need a different BCLD, what a jerk!! There sure are some terrible doctors out there when it comes to bedside manor… — Russ Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. "Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040620135546.11616.00000207@mb-m11.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks, Thom, > Really appreciate your response.  It’s also encouraging to read that it works > for you.  I’m going to get these things tomorrow.  What I have now is pain med, > but it only dulls the chronic ache and I really don’t want to take them since I > don’t see them as a long-term solution.  The route you and SusieQ suggest > sounds like the right way to go. > Thanks again, > Jim

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Hey something I thought about, have you tried Viaox or Celebrex???? I had really good luck with Celebrex for joint pains. Just take one a day, no sides. — Russ Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. "Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040620133009.11616.00000206@mb-m11.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey SusieQ! > Thanks so much for the advice and pointing me in a direction.  I have a place > near me that sells that kind of stuff and that is where I will be tomorrow. > Regarding the arthritis thing, that is where my doc (PCP) thinks my problems > most likely are – but he just doesn’t know how to treat it.  The clinic where > he wants me to go has a specialty in rheumatology.  Hopefully I can get it > approved through my HMO ( I’ve learned the hard way that HMO does not mean Help > Me Out ha! ha!). > Anyway, thanks again, I think that if I can get rid of the inflamation I will > be alot better off.  The constant pain thing does wear on you after awhile. > Jim

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sorry…. I know its’ Michael.  thanks for your response, Michael. Jim

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Thanks, Russ.  Its’ good advice.  And, yes, I have come to realize my BCLD is a jerk. It’s real hard to have these problems and then to have a doctor (someone I was always taught to respect) discount what’s going on with my body – even though there is even physical evidence to the contrary (like my swollen wrists).  I’ll get through this.  Just getting the feedback from you and the others reinvigorates me to carry on.  Thanks fror letting me vent. Take care, Jim Jim

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yes, Russ.  I’ve tried vioxx, celebrex and mobic.  Even tried predisone. Doesn’t help, unfortunately.  Still high  CRP and alot of pain/discomfort. Thanks for the suggestions, though. Jim

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Thanks, Susie, for the good insight.  I wasn’t thinking that way at first. regarding the insurance companies,  they consistently throw up roadblocks to deny benefits.  After all the years of paying them premiums, you would think it would be easier to access your benefits.  One thing I have learned through this is that our healthcare system in the US sure isn’t like it was 20 years ago! Just don’t understand with all the billions we spend and give away, why we can’t have good, decent healthcare here.  Oh well…not being a politician or wealthy you just have to make do I guess. Hope you are feeling ok. Jim

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Your most welcome!! — Russ Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. "Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040621002106.29725.00000239@mb-m18.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks, Russ.  Its’ good advice.  And, yes, I have come to realize my BCLD is a > jerk. It’s real hard to have these problems and then to have a doctor (someone > I was always taught to respect) discount what’s going on with my body – even > though there is even physical evidence to the contrary (like my swollen > wrists).  I’ll get through this.  Just getting the feedback from you and the > others reinvigorates me to carry on.  Thanks fror letting me vent. > Take care, > Jim > Jim

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Some people with arthritus find great relief in marijuana. So I’ve Been told!!!!!!Depending on your job, ie whether they test or not, some in the evening could benefit. Sticky wicket of a subject. "Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040621000926.29725.00000238@mb-m18.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sorry…. I know its’ Michael.  thanks for your response, Michael. > Jim

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I’ve got plenty of aches and pains too, Jim.  Some of it I had before I began tx 4 years ago.  They say the drugs can cause bones and joints to deteriorate due to the diminished blood supply to them……at least the discomfort isn’t in my liver anymore.  I took Vioxx while on tx but have switched to Celebrex.  Both work pretty well unless I forget to take the stuff. You might consider getting a referral to a rheumatologist for evaluation.  Sorry you’re having so many post tx problems. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Re: C Reactive Protien (CRP) ???   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Jun 20, 2004, 3:27pm (CDT+5) From: mara…@nzia.net (Firestar) "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message

news:40d551b0_8@corp.newsgroups.com… "Jim" <jlm…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040619235640.04141.00000195@mb-m26.aol.com… Has anyone experienced or has knowldege about elevated C Reactive Protein (CRP)???. I’ve had a high CRP level since stopping tx. I still have alot of joint and muscular problems. All tests come back negative (which I am happy about) but my doc does not understand the cause for the problems. He can only point to the continued elevated level of CRP which I am now understanding causes inflamation. He doesn’t know what is causing the high CRP, though. I’m kinda at my wits end here since this has been going on for quite some time and it has really gotten in the way of me getting back to a normal life. I still get sudden flare-ups of tendenitis in my hands/wrists. And the pain in hips, shoulders and other joint areas is, at times, pretty intolerable. I just don’t get any answers for the cause of what is happening. I am so frustrated. I haven’t felt comfortable in asking for help because so many of you are going through your tx and I know you have other concerns right now. But as I have been reading and visiting here for awhile, I have been blown away about the knowledge that so many of you have – both pre and post tx. I hope that some of my posts have helped you, now I really need yours. I just have not gotten better since I finished tx. Gallbladder had to go 8 months post tx and 4 gallbladder attacks. When I told my BCLD about the first gallbladder attack (didn’t know it was the GB at the time) he said I needed to see a head doctor. Well… I went to one and he said my problems were not in my head. After 3 more attacks, my mom (good ‘ol mom!!! lives 1200 miles away) said it sounds like your GB and sure enough, out it went. When I was in the hospital recovering from surgery I saw my BCLD and he asked what was I doing there. Needless to say —- what do you say??? I was just dumbfounded. Anyway, my doc recommeded a well known research facility but my insurance denied it (I was real disappointed). He is now trying another angle to get me there but I think my insurance is ready to dropped me (I made the mistake of calling them to see if they could help me get there – stupid me… I guess the old saying about desperation is true!) so the old stress-o-meter has reached its’ peak. I fought the damn dragon and won. But this continued degradation in these areas of my body is really taking its’ toll and making me feel like giving up. I miss the activity I use to do. I’ve push through the pain and try to do my normal activities only having to pay for it with more pain. Sleep has not been my companion since any pressure on my hips keeps me awake. Sleep eventually comes from exhaustion and that is not restful. Knees have gotten steadily worse. I bend down and although I am suppose to stop, I keep going until I hit the floor. Wierd things pop up like the tendonitis thing. Got it in January ‘02 in one hand and now have problems with wrist. Got it in February of this year in the other hand, now having problems with that wrist, too.

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You are right about King George. The movie was on here just last week. According to the blurb at the end, the disease is hereditary and the symptoms come and go. Paulus "Paul" <dontspa…@westgreen.freeserve.co.uk> a

Cytoxan – side effects

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I read a couple of posts the other day about Cytoxan and was wondering about the severe joint/muscle etc etc pains associated with it. I took Cytoxan (that is cyclophosphamide right??) IV for 3 months. After the third month I had a really bad time … all the joint/muscle/every-fibre-in-my-body-aches’ type pain that you guys speak of. I was tested and found to have cytomegalovirus …  and this was blamed. They also stopped the Cytoxan at this point, saying that the really low blood count probably caused the ‘re-activation’ of this normally inert virus. Anyone else have something like this?? Winny

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Hi Winny! I really can’t answer your question as I’ve never been on this med.  I just wanted to say "Hi!"  And "Welcome."  Someone will be along who has some experience with the cyclo, I’m sure. aHug4u, Maggie

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misc wrote: > I read a couple of posts the other day about Cytoxan and was wondering about > the severe joint/muscle etc etc pains associated with it. > I took Cytoxan (that is cyclophosphamide right??) IV for 3 months. After the > third month I had a really bad time … all the > joint/muscle/every-fibre-in-my-body-aches’ type pain that you guys speak of. > I was tested and found to have cytomegalovirus …  and this was blamed. > They also stopped the Cytoxan at this point, saying that the really low > blood count probably caused the ‘re-activation’ of this normally inert > virus. > Anyone else have something like this?? > Winny

Hello Winny and welcome to alt.support.lupus It’s strange but I can’t find those in the side effects and I usually look very hard to see if there’s a possible connection. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/cyclophosphamide_ad.htm It does however say "The degree of neutropenia is particularly important because it correlates with a reduction in resistance to infections." http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cmv.htm GENERAL INFORMATION Cytomegalovirus, or CMV, is found universally throughout all geographic locations and socioeconomic groups, and infects between 50% and 85% of adults in the United States by 40 years of age. CMV is also the virus most frequently transmitted to a developing child before birth. CMV infection is more widespread in developing countries and in areas of lower socioeconomic conditions. For most healthy persons who acquire CMV after birth there are few symptoms and no long-term health consequences. Some persons with symptoms experience a mononucleosis-like syndrome with prolonged fever, and a mild hepatitis. Once a person becomes infected, the virus remains alive, but usually dormant within that person’s body for life. Recurrent disease rarely occurs unless the person’s immune system is suppressed due to therapeutic drugs or disease. Therefore, for the vast majority of people, CMV infection is not a serious problem.[] So perhaps you were previously infected and by suppressing your immune system the infection roared up again? I know from having another type of infection that infections can cause all kinds of (severe) aches and pains. Once you recover, can they not give you something same or similar but lower doses (if you need it for Lupus)? Say a maintenance dose daily instead of the big injections every 3 months? and watch your blood numbers carefully and back off if the numbers start getting too low? Just curious, because I’m not a doctor. J

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Hello Threre UK & AU, I too had the Cytoxan pulse treatment to treat my CNS SLE at my last major flare-up requiring hospitalization. I experienced weakness, dizziness, and burning sensations internally…had to pretty much stay on the john a couple days after the IV pulses! Incidentally, when I was first diagnsed with SLE back in 1991, I was also treated for CMV…how many other lupies have CMV I wonder?? On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:00:33 +0100, herbwormwood – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<herbwormw…@lycos.co.uk> wrote: >Hi, >I was on that a few years ago but I did not get those symtoms. I was on it >for CNS lupus. Intravenous pulses once a month for 6 months. >I felt sick and I was very weak. So weak I could hardly walk. I had to be >helped to the toilet and all that. >As cyclophosphamide is a very strong immonosuppressant I can believe that >would have  caused your infection. >To be frank I don’t think cyclophosphamide really helped me. >Anticoagulants were more effective as I had antiphospholipid syndrome too. >Hope you feel better soon. >On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:00:41 +0100, misc wrote >(in message <4073eca4$0$14771$afc38…@news.optusnet.com.au>): >> I read a couple of posts the other day about Cytoxan and was wondering about >> the severe joint/muscle etc etc pains associated with it. >> I took Cytoxan (that is cyclophosphamide right??) IV for 3 months. After the >> third month I had a really bad time … all the >> joint/muscle/every-fibre-in-my-body-aches’ type pain that you guys speak of. >> I was tested and found to have cytomegalovirus …  and this was blamed. >> They also stopped the Cytoxan at this point, saying that the really low >> blood count probably caused the ‘re-activation’ of this normally inert >> virus. >> Anyone else have something like this?? >> Winny

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rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l l another one…. just like the other one………….. — Russ Tanner …………….. This one’s just about burnt to the end……and I sure would like a hit. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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news:22256-405AE436-12@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net… rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l > l another one…. just like the other one………….. > — > Russ Tanner > …………….. > This one’s just about burnt to the end……and I sure would like a hit. > Elmo

hmmmmmm……………… Beaded roach clips! hc

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Re: Question ???   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 9:31am (EST-1) From: canyougetme…@eatspam.spam (heppiechik) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:22256-405AE436-12@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net… rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l l another one…. just like the other one………….. — Russ Tanner ……………. This one’s just about burnt to the end……and I sure would like a hit. Elmo hmmmmmm……………… Beaded roach clips! hc And purple microdot. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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news:25870-405B5AB8-1205@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net… > Re: Question ??? > Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 9:31am (EST-1) > From: canyougetme…@eatspam.spam (heppiechik) > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:22256-405AE436-12@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net…

rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l > l another one…. just like the other one………….. > — > Russ Tanner > ……………. > This one’s just about burnt to the end……and I sure would like a hit. > Elmo > hmmmmmm……………… > Beaded roach clips! > hc > And purple microdot. > Elmo

Glow in the dark body paint. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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> Re: Question ??? > Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 9:31am (EST-1) > From: canyougetme…@eatspam.spam (heppiechik) > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:22256-405AE436-12@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net…

rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l > l another one…. just like the other one………….. > — > Russ Tanner > ……………. > This one’s just about burnt to the end……and I sure would like a hit. > Elmo > hmmmmmm……………… > Beaded roach clips! > hc > And purple microdot. > Elmo >                                            {!!!!!!!!!!}

Don’t forget the Sunshine!        < *  . * >    Thom                                          0

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Hahahaha!!! I’ve been trying to vacuum the house for 3 days. Just thinking about it takes a nap!! — Regards,        Shawn . "Russ" <russNOS…@tannersacre.com> wrote in message

news:105k1dus2op681b@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HC, I keep thinking about work, I miss it. I too keep entertaining some > stupid thought of "going back to work sooner". Then I’ll wash the dishes, do > a load of laundry and have to take a nap because I’m too tired. . > — > Russ Tanner > Palmer, Alaska > email: remove NOSPAM > http://www.tannersacre.com > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:105jg9gmdedal79@corp.supernews.com… > > You’re are too kind Thom. I keep thinking maybe I could go back to work > some > > but then I think…. "NO WAY" > > hc > > p.s good luck on finishing up tx!!! > > "Firestar" <mara…@ncia.net> wrote in message > > news:e86d7a30.0403172105.38fb10c6@posting.google.com… > > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > <news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com>… > > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I > > have > > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having

more really bad days – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else > experienced > > > > this? > > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > > > hc > > > HC- I had the same experience somewhere around shot #36 or so.  That > > > was when I took three weeks off from work just to rest.  I still feel > > > just as crappy, but I’m in the home stretch, so that helps. > > > You’re not too far from the end yourself.  So take care and baby > > > yourself in the meantime.  Who cares what you look like – it’s obvious > > > from your posts that you are a beautiful person. > > > Hugs to you. > > > Thom

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HC, I keep thinking about work, I miss it. I too keep entertaining some stupid thought of "going back to work sooner". Then I’ll wash the dishes, do a load of laundry and have to take a nap because I’m too tired. . — Russ Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: remove NOSPAM http://www.tannersacre.com "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

news:105jg9gmdedal79@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re are too kind Thom. I keep thinking maybe I could go back to work some > but then I think…. "NO WAY" > hc > p.s good luck on finishing up tx!!! > "Firestar" <mara…@ncia.net> wrote in message > news:e86d7a30.0403172105.38fb10c6@posting.google.com… > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > <news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com>… > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I > have > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > > > this? > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > > hc > > HC- I had the same experience somewhere around shot #36 or so.  That > > was when I took three weeks off from work just to rest.  I still feel > > just as crappy, but I’m in the home stretch, so that helps. > > You’re not too far from the end yourself.  So take care and baby > > yourself in the meantime.  Who cares what you look like – it’s obvious > > from your posts that you are a beautiful person. > > Hugs to you. > > Thom

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Hugs back to you Susie. good luck on starting and remember the first one will be the worse one. A lot of that is just because you don’t know. Once you get that first week over with,  it gets a little easier each time. I’m impressed by you deciding on tx. That is a life changing decision but it’s worth it in the end! What is your genotype again? hc "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message

news:405961f6_6@corp.newsgroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m so sorry that you are feeling so bad.  I am going to start > soon, and I’m praying  that I can be as tough as you have been.  You are in > the homestretch now.  See that prize > up ahead?  Just a little longer. > It would be a good idea to talk with your doc. though.  He > may need to check platelets or whatever to make sure > you are o.k.  Of course, you know better than I do what he > might need to check on. > Hugs, > Susie > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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OH, man doing this treatment has changed me forever. One thing I sure have learned some patience!! When I get to feeling good again, you can bet your ass I won’t take that for granted anymore. I’ll be grateful!!! rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l l another one…. just like the other one………….. — Russ Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: remove NOSPAM http://www.tannersacre.com "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

news:105jg6qfafuvgcb@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks Russ! > I’m looking at this disease as a blessing in disguise. It has changed my > life totally and will continue to even after the Riba is gone. > Good luck in finishing this up and I’m glad you are having some good days. > You have a great attitude! > hc > "Russ" <russNOS…@tannersacre.com> wrote in message > news:105ht34pkdab9ef@corp.supernews.com… > > Those symptoms are pretty much the way I’ve been all winter. But the last > > couple of days, things have been different. HC, take it easy, drink your > > herbal tea, sleep, do nothing and ride it out. The fact that you worked > most > > of your treatment tells me your a tough cookie. > > I’ve got 11 more to go, but lately I’ve "felt" a bit better. Not > > handstanding jump up and down better, but overall, feeling better. I think > > my thyroid levels are getting better. My brain fog has gotten much, much > > better. I still get tired real easy, but that’s the lower blood counts > too. > > But my BC’s aren’t too low. > > Sort of hard to figure, but I have this "feeling" or sense that the DRAGON > > IS FUCKING DEAD MAN!!!! Like my body isn’t fighting so hard now because I > > KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKERS!! > > I watched this old Steven Segal movie yesterday, I remember this line, > > "There are more of them, but were going to win. We will win with superior > > attitude and superior thinking". fucking a man….. > > The closer to the end I get, the more psyched up I get. Just knowing I’m > > near the end is enough to make my day. > > HAPPY ST PATTY’S DAY (but no green beer here) > > — > > Russ Tanner > > Palmer, Alaska > > email: remove NOSPAM > > http://www.tannersacre.com > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I > have > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > > > this? > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > > hc

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Thanks Shawn you’re the best!! hc – hugs back to ya!! "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:rc66c.118343$6K.116806@nwrddc02.gnilink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hang in there HC!!! You Can Do It!!!! (lots of hugs sent > your way) > — > Regards, >        Shawn > . > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:105hlogccknf86f@corp.supernews.com… > > That’s what I think. If I don’t feel better tomorrow then > I’ll call. I just > > notice that one day is not so bad then the next day sucks! > > hc > > "Julie" <Julie…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:in36c.7128$CJ5.20@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in > message > > > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the > past 2 weeks I > > have > > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more > really bad days > > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has > anybody else experienced > > > > this? > > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to > see me! > > > > hc > > > Hi hc, > > > I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would > make sense that the > > > treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went > along.  I had 7 weeks > > of > > > radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20 > were no big deal, but > > > by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster. > The skin on my > > neck > > > was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense > of taste, no > > saliva, > > > and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could > be driven to > > > hospital for treatments. > > > The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He > monitored how I was > > > doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms > the entire time. > > If > > > I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her > to call you back > > > about your resent downslide. > > > I admire all of you so much for all you have gone > through.  I only hope I > > > can stand up to this beast half as well. > > > Hugs, > > > Julie

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And hugs back to you Tim! Today is a good day. It’s just a matter of time and it makes you so appreciative of these good days! hc "tim" <rota…@oohay.moc> wrote in message

news:AK86c.34023$po.303471@attbi_s52… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Me too, Hippie. (Meaning hugs. Why should Shawn have all the fun?) You are > soooo close. Call the doctor, do whatever it takes. The finish line is just > over the next hill, but you do have to climb it. Get whatever help you need > and get it done. Where’s Geb?, he should be here barking orders at you. > tim > "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:rc66c.118343$6K.116806@nwrddc02.gnilink.net… > > Hang in there HC!!! You Can Do It!!!! (lots of hugs sent > > your way) > > — > > Regards, > >        Shawn > > . > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:105hlogccknf86f@corp.supernews.com… > > > That’s what I think. If I don’t feel better tomorrow then > > I’ll call. I just > > > notice that one day is not so bad then the next day sucks! > > > hc > > > "Julie" <Julie…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:in36c.7128$CJ5.20@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in > > message > > > > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the > > past 2 weeks I > > > have > > > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more > > really bad days > > > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has > > anybody else experienced > > > > > this? > > > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to > > see me! > > > > > hc > > > > Hi hc, > > > > I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would > > make sense that the > > > > treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went > > along.  I had 7 weeks > > > of > > > > radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20 > > were no big deal, but > > > > by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster. > > The skin on my > > > neck > > > > was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense > > of taste, no > > > saliva, > > > > and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could > > be driven to > > > > hospital for treatments. > > > > The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He > > monitored how I was > > > > doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms > > the entire time. > > > If > > > > I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her > > to call you back > > > > about your resent downslide. > > > > I admire all of you so much for all you have gone > > through.  I only hope I > > > > can stand up to this beast half as well. > > > > Hugs, > > > > Julie

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Thanks Russ! I’m looking at this disease as a blessing in disguise. It has changed my life totally and will continue to even after the Riba is gone. Good luck in finishing this up and I’m glad you are having some good days. You have a great attitude! hc "Russ" <russNOS…@tannersacre.com> wrote in message

news:105ht34pkdab9ef@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those symptoms are pretty much the way I’ve been all winter. But the last > couple of days, things have been different. HC, take it easy, drink your > herbal tea, sleep, do nothing and ride it out. The fact that you worked most > of your treatment tells me your a tough cookie. > I’ve got 11 more to go, but lately I’ve "felt" a bit better. Not > handstanding jump up and down better, but overall, feeling better. I think > my thyroid levels are getting better. My brain fog has gotten much, much > better. I still get tired real easy, but that’s the lower blood counts too. > But my BC’s aren’t too low. > Sort of hard to figure, but I have this "feeling" or sense that the DRAGON > IS FUCKING DEAD MAN!!!! Like my body isn’t fighting so hard now because I > KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKERS!! > I watched this old Steven Segal movie yesterday, I remember this line, > "There are more of them, but were going to win. We will win with superior > attitude and superior thinking". fucking a man….. > The closer to the end I get, the more psyched up I get. Just knowing I’m > near the end is enough to make my day. > HAPPY ST PATTY’S DAY (but no green beer here) > — > Russ Tanner > Palmer, Alaska > email: remove NOSPAM > http://www.tannersacre.com > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > > this? > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > hc

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You’re are too kind Thom. I keep thinking maybe I could go back to work some but then I think…. "NO WAY" hc p.s good luck on finishing up tx!!! "Firestar" <mara…@ncia.net> wrote in message

news:e86d7a30.0403172105.38fb10c6@posting.google.com… > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

<news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > > this? > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > hc > HC- I had the same experience somewhere around shot #36 or so.  That > was when I took three weeks off from work just to rest.  I still feel > just as crappy, but I’m in the home stretch, so that helps. > You’re not too far from the end yourself.  So take care and baby > yourself in the meantime.  Who cares what you look like – it’s obvious > from your posts that you are a beautiful person. > Hugs to you. > Thom

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I’m impressed by all of you folk’s tenacity fighting this stupid dragon. To those of you on tx, I tip my hat.  You’ve got a good attitude and that’ll help you get your SVR’s.  KEEP FIGHTING! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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"heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message <news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com>… > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > this? > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > hc

HC- I had the same experience somewhere around shot #36 or so.  That was when I took three weeks off from work just to rest.  I still feel just as crappy, but I’m in the home stretch, so that helps. You’re not too far from the end yourself.  So take care and baby yourself in the meantime.  Who cares what you look like – it’s obvious from your posts that you are a beautiful person. Hugs to you. Thom

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I’m so sorry that you are feeling so bad.  I am going to start soon, and I’m praying  that I can be as tough as you have been.  You are in the homestretch now.  See that prize up ahead?  Just a little longer. It would be a good idea to talk with your doc. though.  He may need to check platelets or whatever to make sure you are o.k.  Of course, you know better than I do what he might need to check on. Hugs, Susie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Question ???   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 11:29am (EST-1) From: canyougetme…@eatspam.spam (heppiechik) I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms). Has anybody else experienced this? I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! hc /////////////// Hello, hc.  Yeah, I went thru that too.  Too many ring-dings (LOL). Seriously, make sure you’re eating enough of the right things, drinking your water and getting plenty of rest.  As you probably know by now, not every week is the same.  If you’ve had two bad weeks in a row, you’re ready to break out and have a good one.   Elmo   http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Those symptoms are pretty much the way I’ve been all winter. But the last couple of days, things have been different. HC, take it easy, drink your herbal tea, sleep, do nothing and ride it out. The fact that you worked most of your treatment tells me your a tough cookie. I’ve got 11 more to go, but lately I’ve "felt" a bit better. Not handstanding jump up and down better, but overall, feeling better. I think my thyroid levels are getting better. My brain fog has gotten much, much better. I still get tired real easy, but that’s the lower blood counts too. But my BC’s aren’t too low. Sort of hard to figure, but I have this "feeling" or sense that the DRAGON IS FUCKING DEAD MAN!!!! Like my body isn’t fighting so hard now because I KILLED THE MOTHER FUCKERS!! I watched this old Steven Segal movie yesterday, I remember this line, "There are more of them, but were going to win. We will win with superior attitude and superior thinking". fucking a man….. The closer to the end I get, the more psyched up I get. Just knowing I’m near the end is enough to make my day. HAPPY ST PATTY’S DAY (but no green beer here) — Russ Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: remove NOSPAM http://www.tannersacre.com "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > this? > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > hc

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Me too, Hippie. (Meaning hugs. Why should Shawn have all the fun?) You are soooo close. Call the doctor, do whatever it takes. The finish line is just over the next hill, but you do have to climb it. Get whatever help you need and get it done. Where’s Geb?, he should be here barking orders at you. tim "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:rc66c.118343$6K.116806@nwrddc02.gnilink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hang in there HC!!! You Can Do It!!!! (lots of hugs sent > your way) > — > Regards, >        Shawn > . > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:105hlogccknf86f@corp.supernews.com… > > That’s what I think. If I don’t feel better tomorrow then > I’ll call. I just > > notice that one day is not so bad then the next day sucks! > > hc > > "Julie" <Julie…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:in36c.7128$CJ5.20@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in > message > > > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the > past 2 weeks I > > have > > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more > really bad days > > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has > anybody else experienced > > > > this? > > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to > see me! > > > > hc > > > Hi hc, > > > I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would > make sense that the > > > treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went > along.  I had 7 weeks > > of > > > radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20 > were no big deal, but > > > by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster. > The skin on my > > neck > > > was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense > of taste, no > > saliva, > > > and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could > be driven to > > > hospital for treatments. > > > The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He > monitored how I was > > > doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms > the entire time. > > If > > > I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her > to call you back > > > about your resent downslide. > > > I admire all of you so much for all you have gone > through.  I only hope I > > > can stand up to this beast half as well. > > > Hugs, > > > Julie

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Hang in there HC!!! You Can Do It!!!! (lots of hugs sent your way) — Regards,        Shawn . "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

news:105hlogccknf86f@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That’s what I think. If I don’t feel better tomorrow then I’ll call. I just > notice that one day is not so bad then the next day sucks! > hc > "Julie" <Julie…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:in36c.7128$CJ5.20@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I > have > > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has

anybody else experienced > > > this? > > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > > hc > > Hi hc, > > I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would make sense that the > > treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went

along.  I had 7 weeks > of > > radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20

were no big deal, but – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster. The skin on my > neck > > was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense of taste, no > saliva, > > and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could be driven to > > hospital for treatments. > > The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He monitored how I was > > doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms the entire time. > If > > I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her to call you back > > about your resent downslide. > > I admire all of you so much for all you have gone

through.  I only hope I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > can stand up to this beast half as well. > > Hugs, > > Julie

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I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced this? I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! hc

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:29:33 -0600, "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam>, in message ID <105h2qe2q71m…@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have >felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days >(nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced >this? >I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me!

Aw.  Go on.  Post us a piccie. Seriously though, I’m sorry to hear how ill you are feeling HC.  I hope it passes quickly. — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email

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"heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message

news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > this? > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > hc

Hi hc, I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would make sense that the treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went along.  I had 7 weeks of radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20 were no big deal, but by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster.  The skin on my neck was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense of taste, no saliva, and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could be driven to hospital for treatments. The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He monitored how I was doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms the entire time.  If I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her to call you back about your resent downslide. I admire all of you so much for all you have gone through.  I only hope I can stand up to this beast half as well. Hugs, Julie

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Sorry to hear the last few weeks have been so bad for you.  Hope it’s just another temporary side and will subside quickly.  I was hoping that I would start feeling better as soon as I quit the Copegus and reduced the dosage of Pegasys, no such luck.  Seems like the fog has lifted a little, but that just seems to let me know how bad I feel. Hang in there, you’re almost done.  I really envy all of you that are finishing this shit. heppiechik wrote: > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > this? > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > hc

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That’s what I think. If I don’t feel better tomorrow then I’ll call. I just notice that one day is not so bad then the next day sucks! hc "Julie" <Julie…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:in36c.7128$CJ5.20@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:105h2qe2q71mc08@corp.supernews.com… > > I will be doing # 41 Friday and I have found that the past 2 weeks I have > > felt the worse that I have ever been. I’m having more really bad days > > (nausea, ache, typical flu-like symptoms).  Has anybody else experienced > > this? > > I look so horrible that I don’t even want anyone to see me! > > hc > Hi hc, > I’m just stating my treatments the 26th, but it would make sense that the > treatment would begin to pile up on you as you went along.  I had 7 weeks of > radiation treatments (one everyday) and the first 20 were no big deal, but > by the time I got to the last 7 I was a total disaster.  The skin on my neck > was literally toasted and falling off, I lost all sense of taste, no saliva, > and I had to have someone help me into a car so I could be driven to > hospital for treatments. > The good thing was that I saw my doctor every week. He monitored how I was > doing very closely and addressed my fears and symptoms the entire time. If > I was you I would call the doctors nurse and get him/her to call you back > about your resent downslide. > I admire all of you so much for all you have gone through.  I only hope I > can stand up to this beast half as well. > Hugs, > Julie

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A Modest Proposal

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Yuck, Yuck, but I could see this coming from the Bushites if they were not so rabidly anti-drug. They are going to list Canada as a drug exporting nation mainly in retaliation for Canada’s relaxation of it’s pot laws.

Actually, unless there is an interaction between heroin and ARV, I think this IS a good idea. Why? Because it could offer: 1) access to quality heroin; 2) opportunity to kick the habit through dose reduction; 3) improved adherence as pointed out; 4) getting people off the street and into care. It does sound crazy, but several programs suggest this CAN be a means of helping people, rather than using methadone. It is a FURTHER option, not a REPLACEMENT to addressing addiction. I think it could work for a substantial number of drug users.                 George M. Carter

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Yuck, Yuck, but I could see this coming from the Bushites if they were not so rabidly anti-drug. They are going to list Canada as a drug exporting nation mainly in retaliation for Canada’s relaxation of it’s pot laws. Gary Stein

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This newswire story is the inspiration for my latest idea: << HIV Therapy Changes Death Demographics FRIDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDayNews) — People who catch the AIDS virus by using tainted drug needles are four times as likely to die over the next decade as those who acquire the infection through sex. The difference is one of several changes in the demographics of AIDS deaths that have occurred since the introduction of drugs collectively known as highly active antiretroviral therapy, or HAART. Before the arrival of the regimen in late 1996, about half of people with HIV, which causes AIDS, died within 10 years of being diagnosed with the infection. Thanks to HAART, roughly 90 percent of people with HIV now can expect to live at least 10 years with the virus. HAART "is fantastic. It has increased [survival] significantly," says research leader Kholoud Porter, an epidemiologist specializing in AIDS at the MRC Clinical Trials Unit, in London. There’s nothing unique about the nature of HIV in drug users, Porter says, so their poorer prognosis likely reflects two factors: piggyback infection with other deadly viruses, such as hepatitis C, and spotty adherence to HAART. The second theory is supported by evidence that even while on HAART drug users in the new study typically had much higher levels of HIV in their blood than men and women who acquired the virus through sexual contact. "More of their time on HAART was spent that way," Porter says. "That could point to adherence issues." [...deleted rest of article...] The solution to this is so very simple, it a wonder no one has thought of it yet.  All that is needed is to lace HAART with addicitive drugs like heroin.  No one will forget to take their medications on time anymore as they will go into painful withdrawl symptoms as the addictive drug additives wear off compelling them to dose again.

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This newswire story is the inspiration for my latest idea: << HIV Therapy Changes Death Demographics FRIDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDayNews) — People who catch the AIDS virus by using tainted drug needles are four times as likely to die over the next decade as those who acquire the infection through sex. The difference is one of several changes in the demographics of AIDS deaths that have occurred since the introduction of drugs collectively known as highly active antiretroviral therapy, or HAART. Before the arrival of the regimen in late 1996, about half of people with HIV, which causes AIDS, died within 10 years of being diagnosed with the infection. Thanks to HAART, roughly 90 percent of people with HIV now can expect to live at least 10 years with the virus. HAART "is fantastic. It has increased [survival] significantly," says research leader Kholoud Porter, an epidemiologist specializing in AIDS at the MRC Clinical Trials Unit, in London. There’s nothing unique about the nature of HIV in drug users, Porter says, so their poorer prognosis likely reflects two factors: piggyback infection with other deadly viruses, such as hepatitis C, and spotty adherence to HAART. The second theory is supported by evidence that even while on HAART drug users in the new study typically had much higher levels of HIV in their blood than men and women who acquired the virus through sexual contact. "More of their time on HAART was spent that way," Porter says. "That could point to adherence issues." [...deleted rest of article...] The solution to this is so very simple, it a wonder no one has thought of it yet.  All that is needed is to lace HAART with addicitive drugs like heroin.  No one will forget to take their medications on time anymore as they will go into painful withdrawl symptoms as the addictive drug additives wear off compelling them to dose again.

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