Dentists
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Yeah, I made the mistake of telling my dentist too. He made a major production out of it, called my BCLD and wanted the entire history. I got the impression he was descriminating against me and I told him so. He said he wasn’t but that his hygienist had a problem with cleaning my teeth and that he wouldn’t make her. That’s the last time I layed eyes on that fuckstick. elmo ///////////// Ya know Elmo, I related that story to my BCLD. She told me not to say I had hep-c to any doctor or dentist. According to her, if the persons in question don’t use the proper safety gear it’s their problem. Personally, I would feel too guilty not to say anything. — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14598-43B159E0-167@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… Well…….if they don’t use all that extra safety equipment ALL the time, then they’re putting themselves and their patients at risk for hcv. Shawn, you just happened to be the guy that admitted you had hcv. What about all the infected people who don’t know they’ve got it and therefore don’t tell the dentist? A smart dentist should assume that everyone who walks thru his door is a risk for hcv and other blood-borne illnesses. They should use the same precautions for every patient, whether there is documented hcv or not. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Maitake_man wrote: > "Lu Tze" <lutzespamf…@nogginthenogle.com> wrote in message > news:dorib6$oge$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com.. >>It may well be that the medical profession over here are over cautious but >>I had 4 teeth which were troublesome, indeed I could partially rotate them >>in their socket, I spent close to a year waiting for them to be extracted >>which they would not do at the time as my platelets were only around >>33,000 (poor clotting). I removed two of them myself however (no bleeding) >>and eventually had the other 2 removed once my platelets had climbed back >>to around 100,000. As I say, over cautious?, things are probably different >>over the pond. > Ah..see there, I didn’t know you were in Utah. <kidding> > But really…that is the Bitch of the whole situation, if the pain is > killing someone…then there should be no question or wait. As it’s already > been mentioned here, there really isn’t anyway to know except the honor > system. I’m really sorry you had to go through that. it just doesn’t seem > right. No matter what country. BTW, what part of Asia? I married into > Cantonese once (long time ago…) Nice to meet you, Lu. > den >>– >>Lu Tze >>Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
I’m sitting here with a huge smile on my face. The closest I have ever been to an Asian or Occidental country is the chinese restaurants in the local town. I complete surveys on a regular basis for the local authority and they too have difficulty with the Lu Tze issue. I proclaim myself as caucasian european male and they are buggered. I get calls from various departments within the authority querying my nationality as Lu Tze clearly does not fit the profile for white european. The only trait I have in common with our Asian cousins is my stature as a short arsed welshman. — Lu Tze Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
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Yeah, I see what you are saying. But the discrimination in my case was not because I was in TX, because I wasn’t. It was merely because I checked the box. Are you kidding about OHSA? <s> den "dortski" <dwil…@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e2gsf.9972$tO4.4785@tornado.texas.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >> you told them you had hep C ? > For those who have had trouble with dentist after informing them of HCV > infection, be glad, they did you a favor. You could report them to the > local state board. But consider yourself lucky not being treated by an > obvious ignorant office the obviously does not follow universal > precautions set by OSHA. > The reason most dentist will not do invasive procedures while on treatment > is because the blood clotting factor is compromised. It’s the same for > folks on blood thinners. It would be very difficult to control the > bleeding, which can lead to serious problems. Most literature I’ve read > recommends getting all dental work and such taken care of before starting > treatment. Hope this helps! > dort
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just had 23 teeth pulled (2 days of surgery) at a local dentist. Told him about the Hep, and they were only worried that some of my meds might cause bleeding. Had to get a note from primary doc at the VA. No big deal "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > you told them you had hep C ?
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In article <1135747881.136907.238…@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote:
[...] > I went to the dentist this morning and I told them I had hep C. No > problem. No extra charge or anything. Personally, I dont think it would > be right to not tell them. Sure they should always use precautions but > they can let their guard down. If you warn them they can excercize due > caution. We owe it to them.
If a dentist is basing how they sterilize their equipment based on what diseases their patients tell them they have, then beyond worrying someone else getting your hep C you should also worry about YOU getting HIV or Hep B from their unclean tools. G
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"Lu Tze" <lutzespamf…@nogginthenogle.com> wrote in message
news:dorib6$oge$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com.. > It may well be that the medical profession over here are over cautious but > I had 4 teeth which were troublesome, indeed I could partially rotate them > in their socket, I spent close to a year waiting for them to be extracted > which they would not do at the time as my platelets were only around > 33,000 (poor clotting). I removed two of them myself however (no bleeding) > and eventually had the other 2 removed once my platelets had climbed back > to around 100,000. As I say, over cautious?, things are probably different > over the pond.
Ah..see there, I didn’t know you were in Utah. <kidding> But really…that is the Bitch of the whole situation, if the pain is killing someone…then there should be no question or wait. As it’s already been mentioned here, there really isn’t anyway to know except the honor system. I’m really sorry you had to go through that. it just doesn’t seem right. No matter what country. BTW, what part of Asia? I married into Cantonese once (long time ago…) Nice to meet you, Lu. den – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Lu Tze > Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
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In hindsight, I probably shouldn’t have said anything to the first Dentist, but they were funky and probably over-priced. Now my kid’s Dentist I felt comfortable with and kind of knew there would be no problem. (and he told me I can use the centrifugal in his basement anytime I want!) Maybe…it’s just a matter of using our own judgment…if they don’t want to work on us then maybe they lose, we win? I really agree with Elmo’s take on this. It’s what they went to school for. den – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Shawn" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in message news:t1psf.229$3Y3.104@trnddc02… > Ya know Elmo, I related that story to my BCLD. She told me not to say I > had hep-c to any doctor or dentist. According to her, if the persons in > question don’t use the proper safety gear it’s their problem. Personally, > I would feel too guilty not to say anything. > — > Shawn > (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via > E-Mail.) > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:14598-43B159E0-167@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… >> Well…….if they don’t use all that extra safety equipment ALL the >> time, then they’re putting themselves and their patients at risk for >> hcv. Shawn, you just happened to be the guy that admitted you had hcv. >> What about all the infected people who don’t know they’ve got it and >> therefore don’t tell the dentist? A smart dentist should assume that >> everyone who walks thru his door is a risk for hcv and other blood-borne >> illnesses. They should use the same precautions for every patient, >> whether there is documented hcv or not. >> elmo >> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile >> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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Yeh, my dentist charged me double what he charged my nephew for the same work… mmmhhh…. what’s up with that? Doug "Shawn" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:ST6sf.24146$x%2.23415@trnddc06… >I did once. They charged me triple due to (they said) having to use all the >extra safety equipment. Things that they usually should use. Like gloves, >masks, safety goggles that sort of thing. > — > Shawn > (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via > E-Mail.) > "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >> you told them you had hep C ?
Yeh, my dentist charged me double what he charged my nephew for the same work… mmmhhh…. what’s up with that? Doug
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sara wrote: > "dortski" <dwil…@austin.rr.com> wrote in message > news:e2gsf.9972$tO4.4785@tornado.texas.rr.com… > > "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > >> you told them you had hep C ? > > For those who have had trouble with dentist after informing them of HCV > > infection, be glad, they did you a favor. You could report them to the > > local state board. But consider yourself lucky not being treated by an > > obvious ignorant office the obviously does not follow universal > > precautions set by OSHA. > > The reason most dentist will not do invasive procedures while on treatment > > is because the blood clotting factor is compromised. It’s the same for > > folks on blood thinners. It would be very difficult to control the > > bleeding, which can lead to serious problems. Most literature I’ve read > > recommends getting all dental work and such taken care of before starting > > treatment. Hope this helps! > > dort > I agree. when I told my dentist/hygenist about the hep-c, they pretty much > shrugged… "thanks for letting us know, but we take the same precautions > with everyone"… of course it may affect treatment in the future, but they > have no qualms about taking care of my teeth. thank goodness!
I went to the dentist this morning and I told them I had hep C. No problem. No extra charge or anything. Personally, I dont think it would be right to not tell them. Sure they should always use precautions but they can let their guard down. If you warn them they can excercize due caution. We owe it to them.
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I will give her a call tonight and see what she has to say about it. I know my old dentist had a shit fit when I told her I had Hep A – turns out it was C lol. My understanding is that not all the equipment can be thoroughly cleaned for some reason but I will ask her. I know that she does even my cleaning herself but then on the other hand I insist she does lol – should be every mothers perogative. She is the only dentist I know that has the most vivid blue eyes and who I can reach up and kiss. Mags
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Ya know Elmo, I related that story to my BCLD. She told me not to say I had hep-c to any doctor or dentist. According to her, if the persons in question don’t use the proper safety gear it’s their problem. Personally, I would feel too guilty not to say anything. — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14598-43B159E0-167@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well…….if they don’t use all that extra safety equipment ALL the > time, then they’re putting themselves and their patients at risk for > hcv. Shawn, you just happened to be the guy that admitted you had hcv. > What about all the infected people who don’t know they’ve got it and > therefore don’t tell the dentist? A smart dentist should assume that > everyone who walks thru his door is a risk for hcv and other blood-borne > illnesses. They should use the same precautions for every patient, > whether there is documented hcv or not. > elmo > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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>Mags wrote: >My dentist is my daughter – she wouldn’t dare!
Wow Mags. lucky you 
I’ve noticed some subtle and not-so-subtle descrimination against me in the medical community here because of the hep c. I think that when and if my health problems become severe (ie bloody), I will not get adequate treatment in this smallish town because of the diagnosis. I think this dentist issue is just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder what someone inside the medical establishment, such as your daughter, has to say about this. I wonder if ol’ Doc Rudman is still lurking? Comment, Doc? Kathy
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"anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > you told them you had hep C ?
For those who have had trouble with dentist after informing them of HCV infection, be glad, they did you a favor. You could report them to the local state board. But consider yourself lucky not being treated by an obvious ignorant office the obviously does not follow universal precautions set by OSHA. The reason most dentist will not do invasive procedures while on treatment is because the blood clotting factor is compromised. It’s the same for folks on blood thinners. It would be very difficult to control the bleeding, which can lead to serious problems. Most literature I’ve read recommends getting all dental work and such taken care of before starting treatment. Hope this helps! dort
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"dortski" <dwil…@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e2gsf.9972$tO4.4785@tornado.texas.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >> you told them you had hep C ? > For those who have had trouble with dentist after informing them of HCV > infection, be glad, they did you a favor. You could report them to the > local state board. But consider yourself lucky not being treated by an > obvious ignorant office the obviously does not follow universal > precautions set by OSHA. > The reason most dentist will not do invasive procedures while on treatment > is because the blood clotting factor is compromised. It’s the same for > folks on blood thinners. It would be very difficult to control the > bleeding, which can lead to serious problems. Most literature I’ve read > recommends getting all dental work and such taken care of before starting > treatment. Hope this helps! > dort
I agree. when I told my dentist/hygenist about the hep-c, they pretty much shrugged… "thanks for letting us know, but we take the same precautions with everyone"… of course it may affect treatment in the future, but they have no qualms about taking care of my teeth. thank goodness!
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Well…….if they don’t use all that extra safety equipment ALL the time, then they’re putting themselves and their patients at risk for hcv. Shawn, you just happened to be the guy that admitted you had hcv. What about all the infected people who don’t know they’ve got it and therefore don’t tell the dentist? A smart dentist should assume that everyone who walks thru his door is a risk for hcv and other blood-borne illnesses. They should use the same precautions for every patient, whether there is documented hcv or not. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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"Maitake_man" <lvr_p…@some.bar> wrote in message
news:43b134d1$0$20944$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com… > Hey, I’m sorry, but I just see any reason to turn anyone away.
(edit: "Hey, I’m sorry, but I just ‘DON’T’ see any…"
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My dentist is my daughter – she wouldn’t dare! Mags
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Maitake_man wrote: > Lu, I’m a newbie here, and don’t want to seem like I’m coming out of nowhere > here. But I’m not sure what you are saying? Do you have any citations for > this? Why would a Dentist or Orthodontist not carry out an extraction or any > emergency procedure and prevent any excess bleeding? That doesn’t make much > sense to me. If nothing else they refer it to a specialist? (You know like > when Doc on Gunsmoke had Festus bite down on the bullet case then kicked him > in the jaw to set it?) > Hey, I’m sorry, but I just see any reason to turn anyone away. Regardless. > It goes against ethics and the Hippocratic Oath. (And I wouldn’t like them > very much and probably send them into the cornfield.) > den > "Lu Tze" <lutzespamf…@nogginthenogle.com> wrote in message > news:dorb9p$bck$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com… >>anonymousone wrote: >>>Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >>>you told them you had hep C ? >>It may not be the case in this instance but dentists will not carry out >>dental work that may include extractions or cause bleeding to a patient on >>treatment or indeed not on treatment if their platelet count is low. >>– >>Lu Tze >>Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
It may well be that the medical profession over here are over cautious but I had 4 teeth which were troublesome, indeed I could partially rotate them in their socket, I spent close to a year waiting for them to be extracted which they would not do at the time as my platelets were only around 33,000 (poor clotting). I removed two of them myself however (no bleeding) and eventually had the other 2 removed once my platelets had climbed back to around 100,000. As I say, over cautious?, things are probably different over the pond. — Lu Tze Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
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anonymousone wrote: > Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > you told them you had hep C ?
It may not be the case in this instance but dentists will not carry out dental work that may include extractions or cause bleeding to a patient on treatment or indeed not on treatment if their platelet count is low. — Lu Tze Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
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Lu, I’m a newbie here, and don’t want to seem like I’m coming out of nowhere here. But I’m not sure what you are saying? Do you have any citations for this? Why would a Dentist or Orthodontist not carry out an extraction or any emergency procedure and prevent any excess bleeding? That doesn’t make much sense to me. If nothing else they refer it to a specialist? (You know like when Doc on Gunsmoke had Festus bite down on the bullet case then kicked him in the jaw to set it?) Hey, I’m sorry, but I just see any reason to turn anyone away. Regardless. It goes against ethics and the Hippocratic Oath. (And I wouldn’t like them very much and probably send them into the cornfield.) den "Lu Tze" <lutzespamf…@nogginthenogle.com> wrote in message
news:dorb9p$bck$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> anonymousone wrote: >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >> you told them you had hep C ? > It may not be the case in this instance but dentists will not carry out > dental work that may include extractions or cause bleeding to a patient on > treatment or indeed not on treatment if their platelet count is low. > — > Lu Tze > Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
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Did you document this? How did you know it was triple? Yes, they do usually use those things. very bizarre, maybe contact the ADA.org and give them the 411? That really sux mud. (On a side note about Dentists in general. When I lived in Santa Fe, New Mexico. If someone had a bad tooth, they could go to the Loretto Chapel at around 5:00 a.m. and a volunteer Dentist would yank it for four bucks. I had it done several times with broken molars that were literally killing me. The Doc’s advice to me, was: "It was very infected, next time don’t let it go so long." (yeah, right.) But, it was a good program and I appreciate it now. I hope they are still helping those that need it. den "Shawn" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:ST6sf.24146$x%2.23415@trnddc06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I did once. They charged me triple due to (they said) having to use all the >extra safety equipment. Things that they usually should use. Like gloves, >masks, safety goggles that sort of thing. > — > Shawn > (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via > E-Mail.) > "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after >> you told them you had hep C ?
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I did once. They charged me triple due to (they said) having to use all the extra safety equipment. Things that they usually should use. Like gloves, masks, safety goggles that sort of thing. — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) "anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after you told them you had hep C ?
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"anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > you told them you had hep C ?
Never. And I’d accuse him/her of unprofessional conduct if I did.
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"anonymousone" <te…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1135638153.910752.203460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Anybody experienced any trouble getting treatment from a dentist after > you told them you had hep C ?
Yeah,I did once, right after I tested pos. It was some real hokey place that advertised itself like American Best (or something like that.) They had a whole bunch of American Flags in their ad and wording like "We are there to serve everyone." (yeah, right.) Anyway I put Hep C down under medical condition and they cancelled my appt. on the spot, after a quick behind closed doors conference. Then they wanted me to bring in copies of my complete medical history. Needless to say I didn’t go back. I think Thip has the right idea, but back then I was just coming off the road, not established and without a pot to piss in, so I just blew it off. However at the time, it did add to the stigma that goes along with just finding out and me not being educated about it. Since then, my son’s Dentist has emergency capped me a couple times, knowing my med. history and didn’t bat an eye (it’s why they wear latex gloves, eh?) And, since him I have discovered the local State University Student Dental Clinic. They are really great (but it takes awhile to get in.) They accept all Dental Insurance and give you reduced rates. Although it’s students in training that do the actual work, the Instructors are highly paid professionals right there with them. I’d recommend checking your local State university to everyone that needs good dental work. I think with dentists that don’t want patients at might have a pathogen, it just boils down to ignorance on their part. den – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
