Is TB a myth also?

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February 15, 2005 Aids and TB tests for all immigrants in Tory plan By Philip Webster and Sam Lister THE Conservatives will fuel the debate on immigration today by promising that people travelling to live and work in Britain will have to undergo checks for HIV/Aids and other diseases. Those intending to come for more than 12 months, or to settle permanently, would have to undergo full medical tests, paid for by themselves in their home country and which took account of conditions there, The Times has learnt. They will need an overall check-up, chest X-rays for tuberculosis and tests for hepatitis and HIV. Those with TB would automatically be precluded from entry. All other conditions will be dealt with as individual cases. People who wanted to come for 6-12 months from a country where there is a high incidence of TB would have to undergo a chest X-ray, followed by tests if necessary. People coming for less than six months would not face a test unless they wanted to work in healthcare, childcare or teaching. The checks, based on controls in Australia, Canada and New Zealand, would have to be conducted by medical practitioners approved by Britain. More than 7,000 new cases of HIV were diagnosed in 2003, the highest ever and a 20 per cent rise in one year. The Health Protection Agency said that 75 per cent of the 4,000 heterosexual cases came from sub-Saharan Africa – with more than half originating in Zimbabwe, Malawi and Zambia. Immigration is also blamed for a 20 per cent rise in TB in England and Wales in the past ten years. Britain is the only part of the European Union to see an increase over that period. The Conservatives said last night that the policy aimed to minimise the risk of diseases such as TB and to protect access to the National Health Service. They quoted a report suggesting that 6,500 migrants with chronic hepatitis B infection enter Britain each year. Des Browne, the Minister of State for Citizenship and Immigration, said that Labour’s five-year plan on immigration contained plans to screen for TB in applicants from high-risk areas. "The Tory policy is little more than a desperate attempt to catch up," he said. A review on imported infections and immigration, announced by the Government more than two years ago, has yet to be concluded. The Cabinet Office said last night that the work was helping to inform ministers daily, but that a date had not been set for publication. The Tories said that the review appeared to have been quietly buried. Under the Conservative proposals, people coming to settle in Britain permanently from outside the EU will have to demonstrate that they have an acceptable standard of health, are unlikely to pose a danger to public health, impose high costs or demands on the health service and can undertake the work or study for which their visit is intended. The Conservatives have been considering today’s proposals for more than two years. Their announcement now will be seen as a sign that they are determined to keep immigration high on the agenda before the general election. It is the one policy area where they clearly lead Labour, according to recent opinion polls. A Populus poll for The Times last week put the Conservatives eight points ahead of Labour on the issue. That was on the day Labour announced its own five-year plan on immigration and asylum. According to a poll for the BBC Newsnight programme last night, 82 per cent of those questioned supported stricter controls. The Conservatives will assert that people will face a choice at the election: limited and controlled immigration under Michael Howard or unlimited immigration under Tony Blair. The party highlighted yesterday remarks made by Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, at the weekend in which he appeared to say that he would welcome more immigrants and asylum-seekers to Britain. The Tories issued figures from the Commons library and the Health Protection Agency which showed that, in 2002, there were four cases of TB per 100,000 people born in the United Kingdom, compared with 73 per 100,000 among those born abroad. Eighty per cent of people found to have heterosexually-acquired HIV in Britain in 2003 are thought to have been infected in Africa. The Conservatives say that their proposals will be self- financing. Applicants will have to pay for their own checks and fees for permits and visas will be increased to cover any additional costs. The plans will not affect applicants for asylum. The Conservatives say that people genuinely fleeing persecution should not be denied refuge because of their health.

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NO

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milestone (I think)

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Tracy wrote: > Wanting to and being able to are two completely different things. I do know > one thing, I am scared to death. It is such a big part of my life. I know it > is incomprehensible to most of you and it is to me too but I am so afraid I > might be one of those people that never quits. I want to see my > grandchildren. I don’t want my kids to be without me before my time. It is > just going to be really, really hard. Thank you so much for your support. > Tracy

Tracy, I can relate to your difficulty.  I smoked for 14 years and was up to 2+ packs a day when I quit.  I still think that quitting was one of the most difficult things I ever did. There are a lot of aids and tricks available now to aid in the quitting process (patch and nicotine gum weren’t available when I quit).  But IMO the two most important aids to quitting are determination and support from your friends and family. Hang in there – you’ll have a lot of people rooting for you! FurPaw

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After reading the messages you’ve posted – though I could be wrong, sounds to me as though the stresses in your life could be playing a role. Last year when I was under a lot of stress, relationship and family wise, things changed for me. Despite the fact that I was on birthcontrol – regulated periods – things went haywire. For six months I experienced no periods and hotflashes. Once I got figured out what was going on – STRESS – and got rid of it, things got back to normal. Have you done and research on  mild chronic lung disease? Anything I have read is preemie related. There may be more out there, but I haven’t found anything adult related to it yet. "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message

news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am hoping > it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > My boyfriend and I were getting pretty close to having a full blown argument > when a strange sensation came over me. My chest got very tight and I felt > like I had a lot of pressure in it. I made the comment that I really need to > stop smoking to him then my head and neck started to sweat. It eventually > moved down my body until every part of me was sweating. I was extremely hot > and even though I wanted to go outside to get some air I was afraid my legs > were too weak to carry me. The place we were at was very hot, humid, and > there was absolutely no air moving. He held my arm and walked me outside. > When we got outside I was cold and clammy. After we got in the car, opened > the moon roof, windows, and started moving I was fine. I didn’t have any > nausea or lightheadedness. > I could always set my clock by my periods but the last year they have been > getting closer and closer together. In May we were making reservations for > the beach and I carefully counted to make sure I wouldn’t be having my > period at the beach. Lo and behold I did and it was about 2 weeks earlier > than it should have been. > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > TIA. > Tracy

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I’ve never smoked (took a puff of my father’s cigarette when I was 9, coughed like crazy, & hated the taste & said "Yuck, forget this!" to myself), but… My father smoked like the proverbial chimney until he was in his mid-late 40’s; probably 48, because I think the day he quit was July 4, 1966 (he was born in ‘18).  He smoked up to 3 packs a day when I was little.  He’d tried quitting, or at least cutting down, through the years.  Rolled his own for a while (took longer & was tedious, therefore not as many smoked), smoked a pipe for a few years, etc.  But he quit cold turkey that summer, & well… quit.  Never smoked again.  I remember he gained a little weight post-quitting – which was lost again later on, & chewed a lot of gum & ate a lot of Life Savers for a while.  He’s now 86.  So… keep up hope.  Good luck. Cathy "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message

news:nTBPc.7090$9Y6.4486@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wanting to and being able to are two completely different things. I do know > one thing, I am scared to death. It is such a big part of my life. I know it > is incomprehensible to most of you and it is to me too but I am so afraid I > might be one of those people that never quits. I want to see my > grandchildren. I don’t want my kids to be without me before my time. It is > just going to be really, really hard. Thank you so much for your support. > Tracy > "Mike and Karen" <bugsnbo…@charter.net> wrote in message > news:10gtkha69cpht3e@corp.supernews.com… > > Hi Tracy, > > I lost both my Mom at 66 and my brother at 48 to lung cancer and lung > > failure due to smoking. I miss them both so much. Neither one of them > wanted > > to quit, but you want to so that’s got to be an important part of your > > battle. I don’t mean to be so down about this, but I truly wish you much > > strength and good luck in quitting. > > P.S. I only smoked for 5 years, but I was able to quit. Part of it was I > > wanted to quit. You can do it. > > Good Luck, Karen > > "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… > >  I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am > > hoping > >  it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > >  I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > quit > >  smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. > > TIA. Tracy

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Judy, I am definitely smoking more now than I ever have in my life. I forgot to mention that 3 years ago my daughter came to me and admitted a heroin addiction. She has been struggling with it ever since. She is doing very well now and getting closer and closer to full recovery but not before she contracted Hepatitis C. My life is pretty crazy, huh? You are all probably thinking this woman is nuts but I never in a million years thought I would end up with this kind of problem. I have pretty much been smoking non stop since the night she came to me and told me she had this addiction. Tracy "Judy" <wumpygirl@Ya**DITCHME**hoo.com> wrote in message

news:%PBPc.12021$Jq2.551010@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading the messages you’ve posted – though I could be wrong, sounds > to me as though the stresses in your life could be playing a role. > Last year when I was under a lot of stress, relationship and family wise, > things changed for me. Despite the fact that I was on birthcontrol – > regulated periods – things went haywire. For six months I experienced > no periods and hotflashes. Once I got figured out what was going on – > STRESS – and got rid of it, things got back to normal. > Have you done and research on  mild chronic lung disease? Anything I have > read is preemie related. There may be more out there, but I haven’t found > anything adult related to it yet. > "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message > news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… > > I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am > hoping > > it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > > My boyfriend and I were getting pretty close to having a full blown > argument > > when a strange sensation came over me. My chest got very tight and I felt > > like I had a lot of pressure in it. I made the comment that I really need > to > > stop smoking to him then my head and neck started to sweat. It eventually > > moved down my body until every part of me was sweating. I was extremely > hot > > and even though I wanted to go outside to get some air I was afraid my > legs > > were too weak to carry me. The place we were at was very hot, humid, and > > there was absolutely no air moving. He held my arm and walked me outside. > > When we got outside I was cold and clammy. After we got in the car, opened > > the moon roof, windows, and started moving I was fine. I didn’t have any > > nausea or lightheadedness. > > I could always set my clock by my periods but the last year they have been > > getting closer and closer together. In May we were making reservations for > > the beach and I carefully counted to make sure I wouldn’t be having my > > period at the beach. Lo and behold I did and it was about 2 weeks earlier > > than it should have been. > > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > quit > > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. > I > > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > > TIA. > > Tracy

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Thanks Cathy, that’s encouraging. Hopefully I will be as wise. Tracy "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

news:2n88v4Fu26qbU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve never smoked (took a puff of my father’s cigarette when I was 9, > coughed like crazy, & hated the taste & said "Yuck, forget this!" to > myself), but… > My father smoked like the proverbial chimney until he was in his mid-late > 40’s; probably 48, because I think the day he quit was July 4, 1966 (he was > born in ‘18).  He smoked up to 3 packs a day when I was little.  He’d tried > quitting, or at least cutting down, through the years.  Rolled his own for a > while (took longer & was tedious, therefore not as many smoked), smoked a > pipe for a few years, etc.  But he quit cold turkey that summer, & well… > quit.  Never smoked again.  I remember he gained a little weight > post-quitting – which was lost again later on, & chewed a lot of gum & ate a > lot of Life Savers for a while.  He’s now 86.  So… keep up hope.  Good > luck. > Cathy > "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message > news:nTBPc.7090$9Y6.4486@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > > Wanting to and being able to are two completely different things. I do > know > > one thing, I am scared to death. It is such a big part of my life. I know > it > > is incomprehensible to most of you and it is to me too but I am so afraid > I > > might be one of those people that never quits. I want to see my > > grandchildren. I don’t want my kids to be without me before my time. It is > > just going to be really, really hard. Thank you so much for your support. > > Tracy > > "Mike and Karen" <bugsnbo…@charter.net> wrote in message > > news:10gtkha69cpht3e@corp.supernews.com… > > > Hi Tracy, > > > I lost both my Mom at 66 and my brother at 48 to lung cancer and lung > > > failure due to smoking. I miss them both so much. Neither one of them > > wanted > > > to quit, but you want to so that’s got to be an important part of your > > > battle. I don’t mean to be so down about this, but I truly wish you much > > > strength and good luck in quitting. > > > P.S. I only smoked for 5 years, but I was able to quit. Part of it was I > > > wanted to quit. You can do it. > > > Good Luck, Karen > > > "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message > > > news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… > > >  I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am > > > hoping > > >  it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > > >  I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > > quit > > >  smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with > that. > > > TIA. Tracy

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"FurPaw" <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:iaWdnaPm0vdxcZPcRVn-iw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tracy wrote: > > Wanting to and being able to are two completely different things. I do know > > one thing, I am scared to death. It is such a big part of my life. I know it > > is incomprehensible to most of you and it is to me too but I am so afraid I > > might be one of those people that never quits. I want to see my > > grandchildren. I don’t want my kids to be without me before my time. It is > > just going to be really, really hard. Thank you so much for your support. > > Tracy > Tracy, I can relate to your difficulty.  I smoked for 14 years and was > up to 2+ packs a day when I quit.  I still think that quitting was one > of the most difficult things I ever did. > There are a lot of aids and tricks available now to aid in the quitting > process (patch and nicotine gum weren’t available when I quit).  But IMO > the two most important aids to quitting are determination and support > from your friends and family. > Hang in there – you’ll have a lot of people rooting for you! > FurPaw

Thank you. I think I may need more help than trying it on my own. I have already enlisted my son, boyfriend, and mother and don’t think they are going to back off. If I really didn’t want to quit I would have never bothered to tell them. Tracy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Tracy wrote: >Judy, >I am definitely smoking more now than I ever have in my life. I forgot to >mention that 3 years ago my daughter came to me and admitted a heroin >addiction. She has been struggling with it ever since. She is doing very >well now and getting closer and closer to full recovery but not before she >contracted Hepatitis C. My life is pretty crazy, huh? You are all probably >thinking this woman is nuts but I never in a million years thought I would >end up with this kind of problem. I have pretty much been smoking non stop >since the night she came to me and told me she had this addiction.

I’m confused. What was the count of months,weeks,days earlier today then.

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"Sharon" <franken…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:2n8assFt8pmcU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tracy wrote: > >Judy, > >I am definitely smoking more now than I ever have in my life. I forgot to > >mention that 3 years ago my daughter came to me and admitted a heroin > >addiction. She has been struggling with it ever since. She is doing very > >well now and getting closer and closer to full recovery but not before she > >contracted Hepatitis C. My life is pretty crazy, huh? You are all probably > >thinking this woman is nuts but I never in a million years thought I would > >end up with this kind of problem. I have pretty much been smoking non stop > >since the night she came to me and told me she had this addiction. > I’m confused. What was the count of months,weeks,days earlier today then.

There are two Tracy’s. Marilee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Marilee wrote: >"Sharon" <franken…@aol.com> wrote in message >news:2n8assFt8pmcU1@uni-berlin.de… >>Tracy wrote: >>>Judy, >>>I am definitely smoking more now than I ever have in my life. I forgot to >>>mention that 3 years ago my daughter came to me and admitted a heroin >>>addiction. She has been struggling with it ever since. She is doing very >>>well now and getting closer and closer to full recovery but not before >she >>>contracted Hepatitis C. My life is pretty crazy, huh? You are all >probably >>>thinking this woman is nuts but I never in a million years thought I >would >>>end up with this kind of problem. I have pretty much been smoking non >stop >>>since the night she came to me and told me she had this addiction. >>I’m confused. What was the count of months,weeks,days earlier today then. >There are two Tracy’s. >Marilee

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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>Subject: milestone (I think) >From: "Tracy" nospample…@noway.net >Date: 8/2/2004 >I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit >smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I >know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of >you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. >TIA. >Tracy

Welcome Tracy.  I once had an anxiety attack that felt like you described. Also, I  quit smoking in my late 20’s after watching my mom pass away from lung cancer and being sick of waking up some mornings with a tight chest.  Smoking was just not in my genes.  My hot flashes, which feel  like a wave flush of heat, did not begin until I ceased having periods and would go away at those rare times when I do have them but everyone is different.  It wouldn’t hurt to have yourself checked by your Dr.  just to rule out any blockages.  Kathy J    

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>Subject: Re: milestone (I think) >From: "Tracy" nospample…@noway.net >Date: 8/2/2004 >I feel like such an idiot smoking and know >it is killing my kids watching me. I am trying the best I know how. >Tracy

Don’t know if this will help but I remember having to get over the hump of thinking "everything causes cancer, even food, so why worry about it" to be able to quit and when I finally psyched myself out by saying "you need food to live but you don’t need cigarettes" was when I could do it.  Good Luck,  Kathy

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Tracy wrote: > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > know that infection can surface through sweats.

Are you taking any corticosteroids, medrol, prednisone etc, for you lung disease? When ever I take corticosteroids, for asthma, I would get hot flashes like you described. sue

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Tracy wrote: > I am working on it. I realize that anyone that has never had a serious > addiction can’t fathom why someone would comtinue smoking after they were > told it would kill them if they didn’t but think of the thing that you love > to do most in the world that gives you the most comfort, the thing that youy > automatically go to when you feel stressed and then imagine stopping cold > turkey. I am trying, believe me. I feel like such an idiot smoking and know > it is killing my kids watching me. I am trying the best I know how.

You might consider acupuncture to help stop smoking. sue

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"Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message

news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… > I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am hoping > it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > TIA. > Tracy

OOOh have a look in alt.support.stop-smoking, I’ve been in there for two weeks now and have stopped after 35 years, they are a brilliant source of support, not judgmental if you have a failure and there’s a chat room too that comes in real handy if you get an urge! — Elle* Adversity is another way to measure the greatness of individuals. I never had a crisis that didn’t make me stronger. –  Lou Holtz

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"Sharon" <franken…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:2n7qr8Ftie4eU3@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tracy wrote: > >"Susan " <suf…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > >news:20040802172926.18655.00000065@mb-m27.aol.com… > >>x-no-archive: yes > >>In article <n3yPc.6458$cK.2…@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Tracy" > >><nospample…@noway.net> writes: > >>>I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > >quit > >>>smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. > >I > >>>know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all > >of > >>>you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > >>We really can’t tell you. > >>But I’m bossy enough to say KNOCK OFF THE SMOKING, MISSY!!!  :-) > >>I suppose it could be, though I don’t think what you describe is typical, > >it > >>doesn’t mean it can’t be a hot flash. > >>I think you need a very good general medical evaluation. > >>Susan <and quit smoking!> > >I know, I know. A 31 year old habit isn’t the easiest to quit though. LOL > >Did I mention I have had a tremendous amount of stress lately? My mother was > >recently diagnosed with lung cancer (she never smoked) and it has moved into > >her lymph nodes. My boyfriend treats me wonderfully except when he has his > >little rants and we don’t speak for a week. I never know when these rants > >are going to occur. Now, I have been diagnosed with borderline emphysema and > >have to completely change my lifestyle or die.on top of all of this I have > >to move this fall as heat costs me over $2500 last year. I think I better > >see my doctor for some serious tests to rule out something more serious than > >hotflashes. I have been extremely tired lately but contributed it to my > >mother. I realize though from your comments so far that these might not be > >typical hotfalsh symptoms. That is what I was wondering. Thanks so much so > >far for your help. > >Tracy > I’m sorry to hear about your mother. Did she live with a smoker (besides > you?). I hope you succeeding in quitting…especially in light of your > emphysema and your mom’s lung cancer.

Thanks Susan. I started smoking after I moved out of my mother’s house so no she never lived with me when I smoked. When I visited her I always went outside. She never lived with a smoker but she did work in a chemical plant for 23 years. Thanks for the good wishes. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:2n7prtFtl13oU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:2n7p81Ftum32U1@uni-berlin.de… > > > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > > quit > > > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with > that. > > I > > > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all > of > > > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > > > TIA. > > > Tracy > > Personally, it doesn’t sound like a hot flash, to me.  Otoh, different > > people get different sorts of hot flashes.  It does sound a bit like a > > couple of panic attacks I experienced in peri, though.  Not exactly, but > > some overlap.  Including the clearing up & feeling just fine afterwards. > > Let’s see what others think… > I don’t remember sweating with panic attacks.  But my legs certainly don’t > get weak with hot flashes, either, and I’m never cold and clammy.  Sweaty > and warm, yes, but not cold and clammy, and my chest never feels tight.

I’ve sometimes broken out in cold sweats with panic attacks; not the ones when I was younger, the ones during peri. > The heat moving downward sounds like a flash, though.

Yeah, that part does.  Most of my flashes are chest & up deals, but some include my arms & legs, too. Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Marilee

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Hi Tracy, I lost both my Mom at 66 and my brother at 48 to lung cancer and lung failure due to smoking. I miss them both so much. Neither one of them wanted to quit, but you want to so that’s got to be an important part of your battle. I don’t mean to be so down about this, but I truly wish you much strength and good luck in quitting. P.S. I only smoked for 5 years, but I was able to quit. Part of it was I wanted to quit. You can do it. Good Luck, Karen "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message

news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net…  I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am hoping  it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old.  I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit  smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. TIA. Tracy

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Wanting to and being able to are two completely different things. I do know one thing, I am scared to death. It is such a big part of my life. I know it is incomprehensible to most of you and it is to me too but I am so afraid I might be one of those people that never quits. I want to see my grandchildren. I don’t want my kids to be without me before my time. It is just going to be really, really hard. Thank you so much for your support. Tracy "Mike and Karen" <bugsnbo…@charter.net> wrote in message news:10gtkha69cpht3e@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Tracy, > I lost both my Mom at 66 and my brother at 48 to lung cancer and lung > failure due to smoking. I miss them both so much. Neither one of them wanted > to quit, but you want to so that’s got to be an important part of your > battle. I don’t mean to be so down about this, but I truly wish you much > strength and good luck in quitting. > P.S. I only smoked for 5 years, but I was able to quit. Part of it was I > wanted to quit. You can do it. > Good Luck, Karen > "Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message > news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… >  I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am > hoping >  it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. >  I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit >  smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. > TIA. Tracy

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I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am hoping it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. My boyfriend and I were getting pretty close to having a full blown argument when a strange sensation came over me. My chest got very tight and I felt like I had a lot of pressure in it. I made the comment that I really need to stop smoking to him then my head and neck started to sweat. It eventually moved down my body until every part of me was sweating. I was extremely hot and even though I wanted to go outside to get some air I was afraid my legs were too weak to carry me. The place we were at was very hot, humid, and there was absolutely no air moving. He held my arm and walked me outside. When we got outside I was cold and clammy. After we got in the car, opened the moon roof, windows, and started moving I was fine. I didn’t have any nausea or lightheadedness. I could always set my clock by my periods but the last year they have been getting closer and closer together. In May we were making reservations for the beach and I carefully counted to make sure I wouldn’t be having my period at the beach. Lo and behold I did and it was about 2 weeks earlier than it should have been. I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. TIA. Tracy

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"Tracy" <nospample…@noway.net> wrote in message

news:n3yPc.6458$cK.2598@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think I had my first hotflash yesterday but am not quite sure. I am hoping > it wasn’t something more serious. I am 46 years old. > My boyfriend and I were getting pretty close to having a full blown argument > when a strange sensation came over me. My chest got very tight and I felt > like I had a lot of pressure in it. I made the comment that I really need to > stop smoking to him then my head and neck started to sweat. It eventually > moved down my body until every part of me was sweating. I was extremely hot > and even though I wanted to go outside to get some air I was afraid my legs > were too weak to carry me. The place we were at was very hot, humid, and > there was absolutely no air moving. He held my arm and walked me outside. > When we got outside I was cold and clammy. After we got in the car, opened > the moon roof, windows, and started moving I was fine. I didn’t have any > nausea or lightheadedness. > I could always set my clock by my periods but the last year they have been > getting closer and closer together. In May we were making reservations for > the beach and I carefully counted to make sure I wouldn’t be having my > period at the beach. Lo and behold I did and it was about 2 weeks earlier > than it should have been. > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > TIA. > Tracy

Personally, it doesn’t sound like a hot flash, to me.  Otoh, different people get different sorts of hot flashes.  It does sound a bit like a couple of panic attacks I experienced in peri, though.  Not exactly, but some overlap.  Including the clearing up & feeling just fine afterwards. Let’s see what others think… Cathy

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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

news:2n7p81Ftum32U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to > quit > > smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. > I > > know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > > you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > > TIA. > > Tracy > Personally, it doesn’t sound like a hot flash, to me.  Otoh, different > people get different sorts of hot flashes.  It does sound a bit like a > couple of panic attacks I experienced in peri, though.  Not exactly, but > some overlap.  Including the clearing up & feeling just fine afterwards. > Let’s see what others think…

I don’t remember sweating with panic attacks.  But my legs certainly don’t get weak with hot flashes, either, and I’m never cold and clammy.  Sweaty and warm, yes, but not cold and clammy, and my chest never feels tight. The heat moving downward sounds like a flash, though. Marilee

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Tracy wrote: <much snippage> >I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit >smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I >know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of >you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. >TIA. >Tracy

Uh,what happened to your non-smoking progress?

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"Susan " <suf…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20040802172926.18655.00000065@mb-m27.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > In article <n3yPc.6458$cK.2…@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Tracy" > <nospample…@noway.net> writes: > >I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > >smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > >know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > >you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > We really can’t tell you. > But I’m bossy enough to say KNOCK OFF THE SMOKING, MISSY!!!  :-) > I suppose it could be, though I don’t think what you describe is typical, it > doesn’t mean it can’t be a hot flash. > I think you need a very good general medical evaluation. > Susan <and quit smoking!>

I know, I know. A 31 year old habit isn’t the easiest to quit though. LOL Did I mention I have had a tremendous amount of stress lately? My mother was recently diagnosed with lung cancer (she never smoked) and it has moved into her lymph nodes. My boyfriend treats me wonderfully except when he has his little rants and we don’t speak for a week. I never know when these rants are going to occur. Now, I have been diagnosed with borderline emphysema and have to completely change my lifestyle or die.on top of all of this I have to move this fall as heat costs me over $2500 last year. I think I better see my doctor for some serious tests to rule out something more serious than hotflashes. I have been extremely tired lately but contributed it to my mother. I realize though from your comments so far that these might not be typical hotfalsh symptoms. That is what I was wondering. Thanks so much so far for your help. Tracy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tracy wrote: >"Susan " <suf…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20040802172926.18655.00000065@mb-m27.aol.com… >>x-no-archive: yes >>In article <n3yPc.6458$cK.2…@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Tracy" >><nospample…@noway.net> writes: >>>I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to >quit >>>smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. >I >>>know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all >of >>>you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. >>We really can’t tell you. >>But I’m bossy enough to say KNOCK OFF THE SMOKING, MISSY!!!  :-) >>I suppose it could be, though I don’t think what you describe is typical, >it >>doesn’t mean it can’t be a hot flash. >>I think you need a very good general medical evaluation. >>Susan <and quit smoking!> >I know, I know. A 31 year old habit isn’t the easiest to quit though. LOL >Did I mention I have had a tremendous amount of stress lately? My mother was >recently diagnosed with lung cancer (she never smoked) and it has moved into >her lymph nodes. My boyfriend treats me wonderfully except when he has his >little rants and we don’t speak for a week. I never know when these rants >are going to occur. Now, I have been diagnosed with borderline emphysema and >have to completely change my lifestyle or die.on top of all of this I have >to move this fall as heat costs me over $2500 last year. I think I better >see my doctor for some serious tests to rule out something more serious than >hotflashes. I have been extremely tired lately but contributed it to my >mother. I realize though from your comments so far that these might not be >typical hotfalsh symptoms. That is what I was wondering. Thanks so much so >far for your help. >Tracy

I’m sorry to hear about your mother. Did she live with a smoker (besides you?). I hope you succeeding in quitting…especially in light of your emphysema and your mom’s lung cancer.

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"Sharon" <franken…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:2n7qhfFtie4eU2@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tracy wrote: <much snippage> > >I was just diagnosed with mild chronic lung disease (I know, I need to quit > >smoking) and am afraid this *spell* might have something to do with that. I > >know that infection can surface through sweats. I am writing to ask all of > >you if this sounds like a perimenopausal hotflash or not. > >TIA. > >Tracy > Uh,what happened to your non-smoking progress?

I am working on it. I realize that anyone that has never had a serious addiction can’t fathom why someone would comtinue smoking after they were told it would kill them if they didn’t but think of the thing that you love to do most in the world that gives you the most comfort, the thing that youy automatically go to when you feel stressed and then imagine stopping cold turkey. I am trying, believe me. I feel like such an idiot smoking and know it is killing my kids watching me. I am trying the best I know how. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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The big picture

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snip… What a miserable, evasive answer. You should know damn well that there is only so much money that can be spent. So there are always going to be disputes over how that money can best be spent; there is no evading it.

LOL. You are such a sad little troll!

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snip… What a miserable, evasive answer. You should know damn well that there is only so much money that can be spent. So there are always going to be disputes over how that money can best be spent; there is no evading it. LOL. You are such a sad little troll!

No. I’m someone who is pointing out the obvious. I am seeing clearly now that you can’t cope with that (in addition to your reasoned arguments as to why there are limitless amounts of money to spend, I’m still waiting to see how you are going to argue absolutely everyone is at risk of HIV).

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snip Someone who wasn’t emotionally immature – or just very selfish – would try to address the point, which is that funding for AIDS is far out of proportion to the number of people who are actually at risk from this disease. The fact that "whatever is spent is not enough" is just too bad, because there is a limit to the total amount that can be spent. Furthermore, no amount of spending will solve the problem in itself. Ah, the premise of your first statement I utterly reject. The HIV/AIDS pandemic is the worst in human history. Funding is HARDLY out of proportion. There should be much more.

We aren’t talking about "human history." We are talking about now. The fact is that spending on AIDS in the US is out of proportion to the number of people who suffer from AIDS in the US. This is shameful. As to limitations on amounts of funds–bullshit. This planet HAS the resources. Our nations HAVE the resources. For HIV AND other diseases–it would be a tiny fraction of overall budgets. But jerks like Bush have squandered it in illegal wars and in horrific deficit spending. So ALL diseases are underfunded.

All I said was that there are limits to how much can be spent and that is true. It would still be true even if military spending could be reduced to nothing, which of course is impossible. And since there are limits, priorities must be set. It’s simply common sense that the diseases which affect the most people should receive the most funding! To say otherwise shows utter contempt for the great majority of people. I do agree that ANY time large amounts of money are in play, corruption can set in and there are ALWAYS issues of allocation. The point YOU would like to make is that people with chronic diseases should fight each other over decreasing pie size. To which I say, horseshit. The pie can be made bigger and better.            George M. Carter

What a miserable, evasive answer. You should know damn well that there is only so much money that can be spent. So there are always going to be disputes over how that money can best be spent; there is no evading it.

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snip Someone who wasn’t emotionally immature – or just very selfish – would try to address the point, which is that funding for AIDS is far out of proportion to the number of people who are actually at risk from this disease. The fact that "whatever is spent is not enough" is just too bad, because there is a limit to the total amount that can be spent. Furthermore, no amount of spending will solve the problem in itself.

Ah, the premise of your first statement I utterly reject. The HIV/AIDS pandemic is the worst in human history. Funding is HARDLY out of proportion. There should be much more. As to limitations on amounts of funds–bullshit. This planet HAS the resources. Our nations HAVE the resources. For HIV AND other diseases–it would be a tiny fraction of overall budgets. But jerks like Bush have squandered it in illegal wars and in horrific deficit spending. So ALL diseases are underfunded. I do agree that ANY time large amounts of money are in play, corruption can set in and there are ALWAYS issues of allocation. The point YOU would like to make is that people with chronic diseases should fight each other over decreasing pie size. To which I say, horseshit. The pie can be made bigger and better.                 George M. Carter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are These Facts News to You? Facts? Where? Citations? Whatever is spent on HIV/AIDS is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on hepatitis C is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on cancer is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on infectious diseases is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on chronic diseases is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on illegal wars is FAR in excess of whatever is spent on healthcare, research, overcoming poverty. And it only causes chaos, confusion, suffering, death, misery. Iraq was an illegal war. And as such, was horribly bungled because of the incompetence of Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell and their lies and deceptions. As a result: http://costofwar.com/index-aids.html There are PLENTY of resources that can be used to help BILLIONS of humans, help reduce population growth humanely, preserve our planet, improve lives and health.            George M. Carter

Someone who wasn’t emotionally immature – or just very selfish – would try to address the point, which is that funding for AIDS is far out of proportion to the number of people who are actually at risk from this disease. The fact that "whatever is spent is not enough" is just too bad, because there is a limit to the total amount that can be spent. Furthermore, no amount of spending will solve the problem in itself.

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Are These Facts News to You?

Facts? Where? Citations? Whatever is spent on HIV/AIDS is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on hepatitis C is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on cancer is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on infectious diseases is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on chronic diseases is not enough. Whatever is spent can be better spent. Whatever is spent on illegal wars is FAR in excess of whatever is spent on healthcare, research, overcoming poverty. And it only causes chaos, confusion, suffering, death, misery. Iraq was an illegal war. And as such, was horribly bungled because of the incompetence of Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell and their lies and deceptions. As a result: http://costofwar.com/index-aids.html There are PLENTY of resources that can be used to help BILLIONS of humans, help reduce population growth humanely, preserve our planet, improve lives and health.                 George M. Carter

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Are These Facts News to You? Why are we not getting all the facts about HIV and AIDS? Why do media reports uncritically promote HIV testing and the notion that everyone is at risk for AIDS? Why do the AIDS organizations supported by our tax dollars and donations leave the information addressed in this book out of their education programs and advertising campaigns? Some answers to these questions may be found by examining our current AIDS funding and research systems which offer little incentive for critical review, forthright discussion and innovation, but which are the source of most AIDS news. Total tax dollars spent on AIDS presently exceeds $50 billion. Annual AIDS funding increases every year and is one of the only areas of the federal budget that has faced no threat of cuts. The high priority given to AIDS is based on the notion that AIDS poses a widespread and ever-growing health threat to all Americans. Since the government institutions responsible for generating official AIDS reports are the recipients of these multi-billions in AIDS dollars, it is understandable that the information they disseminate would support, rather than challenge the idea that AIDS is a large and growing problem. Their official reports are the basis for most AIDS newsreports that are not analyzed or investigated before they are repeated by the media and AIDS groups. Investigative media reports on AIDS are generally discouraged because of sensitivity to the many social and political issues that surround HIV and AIDS. AIDS awareness, AIDS drugs, safe sex, and HIV testing are among the myriad concepts about AIDS that have been integrated into popular culture. Widespread acceptance of these concepts makes challenges to current views on HIV and AIDS appear highly controversial or even too dangerous to report. As orthodox AIDS expert and Nobel Laureate Dr. David Baltimore has declared, "There is no question HIV is the cause of AIDS. Anyone who gets up publicly and says the opposite is encouraging people to risk their lives."155 The Los Angeles Times recently acknowledged the factors that can influence AIDS news in "Protest Averted," an article that recounts the decision by a local TV station to alter a broadcast that mentioned decreases in AIDS: "After being pressured by the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Community Services Center, KCBS-TV Channel 2 has revised a station editorial on AIDS, deleting the line that stated ‘A new report by the CDC indicates that AIDS is down in all categories and is not an epidemic.’"156 Many AIDS activist organizations charge that critical examination of HIV and AIDS is equivalent to promoting unsafe sex and may cause HIV positives to stop or refuse necessary pharmaceutical treatment. One such group, the San Francisco based drug advocacy organization Project Inform, brought their concerns regarding AIDS critics before the National Academy of Sciences. Project Inform’s founder, Martin Delaney, is a nationally recognized AIDS activist and a member of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Council on AIDS. The group’s National Board of Governors includes HIV codiscoverer Dr. Robert Gallo and award-winning AIDS researcher Dr. David Ho. In 1997, Delaney petitioned the Academy asking them to expel members who engage in public challenges to the HIV=AIDS paradigm.157 In his letter to the Academy, Delaney denounces scientists who make information that questions AIDS available to "young and poorly informed people struggling with HIV infection [whose] natural inclination toward denial gives them a seemingly legitimate way to ignore a positive HIV antibody test, to cast aside…safe sex, and to forgo the complex challenge of multi-drug combination therapy." He suggests that AIDS is an area of public health that should not be examined in public forums, reasoning that "just as the blanket of free speech doesn’t sanction the person who yells ‘fire’ in a crowded theater, neither does academic freedom provide protection for irresponsible behavior by scientists," and draws a parallel to criminal behavior claiming that "it is difficult to distinguish [the] actions [of scientists who raise questions about AIDS] from those of a mass murderer." Attached to Project Inform’s appeal is a list of supporting endorsements. Among the individuals and organizations joining the campaign to curtail critical discussion of AIDS science are AIDS Project Los Angeles; the Center for AIDS Prevention Studies at the University of San Francisco AIDS Research Institute; FAIR (Foundation for AIDS and Immune Research); the Florida AIDS Action Council; the United Foundation for AIDS; the Multicultural AIDS Coalition Inc.; Being Alive; Test Positive Aware Network; Gregory Britt, CEO of AIDS Research Alliance; noted AIDS researcher Dr. Michael Gottlieb; Brenda Freiberg, Chair of Public Policy at AIDS Service Center in Pasadena, California; Mary Lucey, President of Women Alive; and Dr. Martin Markowitz of the renowned Aaron Diamond Research Center in New York. Project Inform’s stance against information that questions AIDS is not unusual. For example, LA Shanti Foundation, a Los Angeles support network for people diagnosed with life-threatening illness, recently took a position on what many regard as life-affirming information about AIDS: My request to be considered as a speaker for their Positive Living For Us seminar, "a weekend for those who have tested positive for HIV…in which experts provide information about treatments, nutrition, sexuality, peer support, public benefits, insurance, legal matters, and other relevant topics," was not only rejected, my letter of inquiry was forwarded to the FDA’s California AIDS Fraud Task Force, and to the District Attorney’s AIDS Fraud Unit by the PLUS program manager, Ric Parish.158 When asked by The Valley Advocate newspaper for comments on the growing movement to rethink AIDS, Nancy MacNeill, program coordinator for the Los Angeles AIDS group Women Alive exclaimed, "We hate them. They’re spreading dangerous information."159 Greg Gonsalves, founder of the New York City AIDS drug advocacy organization Treatment Action Group declared that "SPIN magazine’s AIDS column is a public health menace" for its inclusion of alternative perspectives on AIDS.160 Imposing limits on what AIDS information may be brought before the public limits public awareness of different ideas about HIV and AIDS. AIDS organizations that object to public questioning of AIDS science may take their lead from mainstream media venues where news that challenges common perceptions about AIDS is rare. Journalists who cover AIDS seldom engage in investigative reporting and many have built successful careers by reiterating official AIDS views. Uncritical AIDS reports are the ones that have earned awards and have afforded many writers celebrity status. Laurie Garrett of Newsday, for example, has received two Pulitzer Prizes for her coverage of AIDS and frequently appears on television alongside prominent AIDS researchers and government health officials. In a recent issue of Esquire magazine, Garrett described the PCR test, a test not indicated or approved for the detection of HIV and unable to measure actual virus, as measuring HIV with "exquisite specificity."161 Rather than rock the boat propelled by establishment AIDS views, high-level AIDS reporters generally dismiss or ignore challenges to the HIV=AIDS hypothesis. Since the publications designed to reach HIV positives are funded almost entirely by AIDS drug manufacturers, it is not surprising that critical reporting on AIDS is absent from these venues. To cite just one example, AIDS pharmaceutical promotions filled 17 out of 31 pages allocated for advertisements in a current issue of A&U: America’s AIDS Magazine. Of the remaining 14 pages, nine were purchased by viatical settlement groups offering cash in exchange for the life insurance policies of HIV positives.162 The research labs that produce the studies and reports that are turned into AIDS news all rely on some form of federal AIDS funding. Since the late 1980s, government support for AIDS research has been predicated on adherence to the HIV hypothesis. Institutions that depend on government dollars for support must assume that HIV is the cause of AIDS, and grants are not available to scientists or clinicians whose work may challenge the HIV hypothesis. For example, no funding has been provided for studies that compare the health of medicated and unmedicated HIV positives in matched control groups, for conducting viral load tests and T cell counts on HIV negatives matched to AIDS risk groups, or for verifying the accuracy of HIV antibody tests through isolation of actual virus in people with positive test results. One well-known casualty of the AIDS funding system is Dr. Peter Duesberg of the University of California at Berkeley. Federal support for his laboratory was not renewed after his 1987 article in Cancer Research that questioned Gallo’s HIV hypothesis and proposed an alternative AIDS hypothesis.163 Before 1987, Duesberg received ongoing funding as a recipient of the NIH’s prestigious Outstanding Investigator Award. He was also a Nobel candidate for his discovery of oncogenes, and is a member of the National Academy of Sciences. Since raising challenges to the HIV hypothesis, Duesberg has had 21 consecutive research grant applications rejected by the NIH and other federal and state funding sources.164 Pharmaceutical company grants are another important source of AIDS research money that make objective circumstances for drug studies almost impossible to achieve. Surprisingly, it is not considered a conflict of interest when AIDS researchers own stock in the companies whose products they test, or when they are hired to run the drug trials they publish in medical journals. In fact, it is common practice for drug companies to pay researchers to author favorable articles about their products.165

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DR. ANDREW WAKEFIELD AND THE MMR CONTROVERSY

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Parents know their children, they aren’t stupid.

Like the parents of one of the killers at Columbine? Like the parents who say "Johnny is a good boy" and Johnny is holding the smoking gun…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so??? what’s your point?? I believe Jeff was questioning WHAT the poster felt was "bad reaction to" etc… fever..soreness,,crankiness areNOT considered adverse effects…they are so common as to be expected as usual you jump into a discussion you have no expertise in..post an article NOT relating to the precise subject at hand… then expect readers to THINK you are not as demented as you obviously are… surely…parents know their children..which as WHAT to do with anything?? hawki…..

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Parents know their children, they aren’t stupid.

so??? what’s your point?? I believe Jeff was questioning WHAT the poster felt was "bad reaction to" etc… fever..soreness,,crankiness areNOT considered adverse effects…they are so common as to be expected as usual you jump into a discussion you have no expertise in..post an article NOT relating to the precise subject at hand… then expect readers to THINK you are not as demented as you obviously are… surely…parents know their children..which as WHAT to do with anything?? hawki…..

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DR. ANDREW WAKEFIELD AND THE MMR CONTROVERSY By Nicholas Regush, RFD Editor It doesn’t look very good for Dr. Andrew Wakefield, an English physician and researcher who has championed the need to investigate the potential relationship between the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism. Today, the scavengers of British journalism surfaced and attacked him and his work, and attempted to destroy whatever chance he may have to rescue his scientific reputation. And today, British mainstream medicine hit-men also surfaced to stick him with a knife and twist it round and round. I am not surprised by these events. It is what one can expect these days when a so-called "maverick" researcher dares to challenge the Medical Establishment. And it is certainly what one expects when the "maverick" runs against the drift of vaccine promotion and zealotry. And it is also what one expects of the mainstream press when someone has been wounded. Nor am I surprised that politics have now entered the fray. Tony Blair, undoubtedly still traumatized by his recent encounters with Iraqi realities, has stepped in to add his cent or two, calling for an end to the MMR vaccine debate. An end to the MMR vaccine debate? Really? But I suppose this is a fitting sophmoric intellectual stand for a British Prime Minister who desperately needs to remove attention from his own trials by stuffing his nose once again where it doesn’t belong. As for Wakefield , let there be no doubt that he appears to have been caught in a vice of his own making. In 1998, his study (along with numerous colleagues) published in The Lancet, possibly linking bowel disease with autism and suggesting, however briefly, that the relationship may have been triggered by the three-in-one shot MMR vaccine, should have included a disclosure, indicating that he had received money from a legal aid group via a lawyer representing parents, to conduct a separate investigation of whether the MMR was linked to autism. The fact is, he reportedly didn’t even bother to tell his research colleagues about this contract. At a time when conflict of interest issues were percolating in medicine (at long last), there was no excuse to not have this potential conflict foremost in mind. The Lancet might have regarded the science differently had it known about Wakefield ’s financial relationship with attorneys who were seeking to prove an MMR-autism link. To say, as Wakefield has, that he had nothing to be embarrassed about

Another trip to the hosiptal

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Tony, I feel for you. I was there. I lived alone and sometimes if it weren;t for my German Shepherd who would comein and lay down on the bathroom floor with me…I swear..I don;t know. It was just awful. Then to have to wake any of my friends up to come over and drive me to the hospital…I would wait 3 hours in pain until I felt less guilty about waking them. Not a good idea now looking back but I know that feeling of being helpless and alone and wondering is it bad enough to bother anyone over it to come be with you. I hated that prednisone bone structure too!!! I hope you’re feeling better and not in pain. Holly

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((((((Tony))))))  Well you certainly were right in going to the ER when you did.  I’m glad to hear you’re back home again; you will start to feel better and better each day.  Just remember to take it easy on the food as you do improve I can totally relate to how you’re feeling; having been there, done that, have the t-shirt etc.  You are sooooo right about it being depressing; as this whole disease it a lot of the time. Know that many of us here on the ng have gone through it, and understand and fully support you.  You’re right – it does help to know others have "walked in your shoes" so to speak. And yes – pick up your clarinet as soon as you can.  How wonderful to have that musical talent! Christine CD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Dwight (and all the other responses). I do take Zoloft currently and it keeps me pretty level headed.  Somehow when I was in the hospital I brought up the fact that I was on it but the doctors didn’t pay much attention to that.  They didn’t keep giving it to me.  You are not supposed to ‘cold turkey’ on Zoloft.  That probably is what caused the severe mood swings.  They did give me an anti anxiety med after I persisted about how I was feeling.  I’m also sure the nurses heard me wailing away since they were outside my door.  In fact, I’m sure the whole area heard me.  LOL now that I think about it.  People probably wonder what is the matter with that guy. Tony, glad you’re out of the hospital.  I have several chronic illnesses and know there are times when the depression is overwhelming.  Three years ago this ng help make the depression manageable with the friendship and support.  I haven’t had a flare from my UC in several years, but I am currently undergoing a chemotherapy for hepatitis-c. The doctor did prescribe an antidepressant and it has really helped, you may want to talk to your doctor about it.  I still get depressed and have crying spells when I feel like I’m the only one going through this hell, but it helps to get on the here and talk to people that know how you feel and what you’re going through.  BTW, I find playing and listening to music really lifts my spirits.  Good luck and I hope you start feeling better soon. Dwight Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun. Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band. I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate. You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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That is awful Dwight!  Next time you INSIST that they maintain all your meds or bring yours from home, with the prescription bottle.  When I was hospitalized the nurses asked what medications I was on and all were provided for me, even my allergy meds.  mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Dwight (and all the other responses). I do take Zoloft currently and it keeps me pretty level headed.  Somehow when I was in the hospital I brought up the fact that I was on it but the doctors didn’t pay much attention to that.  They didn’t keep giving it to me.  You are not supposed to ‘cold turkey’ on Zoloft.  That probably is what caused the severe mood swings.  They did give me an anti anxiety med after I persisted about how I was feeling.  I’m also sure the nurses heard me wailing away since they were outside my door.  In fact, I’m sure the whole area heard me.  LOL now that I think about it.  People probably wonder what is the matter with that guy. Tony, glad you’re out of the hospital.  I have several chronic illnesses and know there are times when the depression is overwhelming.  Three years ago this ng help make the depression manageable with the friendship and support.  I haven’t had a flare from my UC in several years, but I am currently undergoing a chemotherapy for hepatitis-c. The doctor did prescribe an antidepressant and it has really helped, you may want to talk to your doctor about it.  I still get depressed and have crying spells when I feel like I’m the only one going through this hell, but it helps to get on the here and talk to people that know how you feel and what you’re going through.  BTW, I find playing and listening to music really lifts my spirits.  Good luck and I hope you start feeling better soon. Dwight Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun. Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate. You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Thanks Dwight (and all the other responses). I do take Zoloft currently and it keeps me pretty level headed.  Somehow when I was in the hospital I brought up the fact that I was on it but the doctors didn’t pay much attention to that.  They didn’t keep giving it to me.  You are not supposed to ‘cold turkey’ on Zoloft.  That probably is what caused the severe mood swings.  They did give me an anti anxiety med after I persisted about how I was feeling.  I’m also sure the nurses heard me wailing away since they were outside my door.  In fact, I’m sure the whole area heard me.  LOL now that I think about it.  People probably wonder what is the matter with that guy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tony, glad you’re out of the hospital.  I have several chronic illnesses and know there are times when the depression is overwhelming.  Three years ago this ng help make the depression manageable with the friendship and support.  I haven’t had a flare from my UC in several years, but I am currently undergoing a chemotherapy for hepatitis-c. The doctor did prescribe an antidepressant and it has really helped, you may want to talk to your doctor about it.  I still get depressed and have crying spells when I feel like I’m the only one going through this hell, but it helps to get on the here and talk to people that know how you feel and what you’re going through.  BTW, I find playing and listening to music really lifts my spirits.  Good luck and I hope you start feeling better soon. Dwight Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun. Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate. You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Tony, glad you’re out of the hospital.  I have several chronic illnesses and know there are times when the depression is overwhelming.  Three years ago this ng help make the depression manageable with the friendship and support.  I haven’t had a flare from my UC in several years, but I am currently undergoing a chemotherapy for hepatitis-c. The doctor did prescribe an antidepressant and it has really helped, you may want to talk to your doctor about it.  I still get depressed and have crying spells when I feel like I’m the only one going through this hell, but it helps to get on the here and talk to people that know how you feel and what you’re going through.  BTW, I find playing and listening to music really lifts my spirits.  Good luck and I hope you start feeling better soon. Dwight – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better.  Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Boy do I remember the depression I experienced over 7 years ago when I was so sick.  It took me a long time to feel better, but I am healthy and in remission now.  I just got back from the gym where I walked/jogged over 3 miles and worked out on weights for a while.  Being so sick will certainly make you appreciate the good days more than most people.  I know I will never take my health for granted again.  It was a wake up call for me to be so sick after having 38 years of good health.  I will cherish these days and treat my body well.  Hopefully you will have good days again very soon. Take care. Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better.  Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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You’ll feel even better tomorrow morning, and the day after, and the day after that. And may it continue!! Mel

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the support.  It means alot when friends and family members give support to cheer you up and help you along, but there is just that extra boost when it comes from people in the same shoes you are in. I had a full night’s sleep and I feel better this morning. Thanks again. Tony Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun. Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band. I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate. You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony hi tony totally understand where u are coming from…been there…i dont know how many times…the hospital, the steroids, the whole bit… get back slowly to your routine..cept the clarinet..do that as soon as u can..even if its just at home…if music is your life you need to do it..and it will help know that we here all understand..we have all been through it..some of us many  many times… you are in my prayers annie

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Tony, sorry you had that experience, but as Susan said You are not alone! Things will start to look better as you begin to get further away from it and you begin to heal.  Hang in there. Love, Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tony, glad your home.  I hope you start to get stronger and stronger. You are not alone as I was here too.  UM MOM Susan Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction. Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Thanks for the support.  It means alot when friends and family members give support to cheer you up and help you along, but there is just that extra boost when it comes from people in the same shoes you are in. I had a full night’s sleep and I feel better this morning. Thanks again. Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun. Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better. Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate. You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony hi tony totally understand where u are coming from…been there…i dont know how many times…the hospital, the steroids, the whole bit… get back slowly to your routine..cept the clarinet..do that as soon as u can..even if its just at home…if music is your life you need to do it..and it will help know that we here all understand..we have all been through it..some of us many  many times… you are in my prayers annie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better.  Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

hi tony totally understand where u are coming from…been there…i dont know how many times…the hospital, the steroids, the whole bit… get back slowly to your routine..cept the clarinet..do that as soon as u can..even if its just at home…if music is your life you need to do it..and it will help know that we here all understand..we have all been through it..some of us many  many times… you are in my prayers annie

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Just went through it on Christmas myself. spent 3 days in the hospital frustrated at the timing. Just glade to get out ,this is my first for steroids and have nothing good to say about them ,as they don’t seem to help much and started the first batch of visible bleeding I have had. On a good note I’m out and hoping it will go away for some time , till the next episode . It was 1 1/2 years since the last time ,again when I was on vacation. Been told maybe I shouldn’t take vacations LOL. Well wish you well and good luck with yours.

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Tony, glad your home.  I hope you start to get stronger and stronger.  You are not alone as I was here too.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better.  Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Monday was like any other day.  However, I went to bed and woke up at 2am with horrible pain in my abdomen, shortly followed by vomiting.  I have told myself.  If I throw up more than once, go to the ER right away.  Which I did.  i had a partial bowel obstruction.  Unusual as I can kind of tell when one is coming on.  This came outta nowhere that I can tell. They were going to release me Wed night as long as I kept my clear and full liquids down.  Well as I was waiting for the paperwork to clear, I reached for the bucket and got to see what I had ingested earlier.  What fun.  Not going home. I was just released today (3 more days later).  I am feeling better.  Back on steroids.  Kinda depressed.  Takes 6 months on no steroids to lose the puffy side effects and 4 days on to get them all back. I know many of you have gone through this experience before.  I just had to let it out to people who know where I am coming from.  I had a bunch of crying episodes in the hospital and here and home.  It is hard the shake the helplessness and feeling of being alone when an attack comes on.  All the encouragement from others around you is appreciated but just isn’t enough when you know things don’t always get better. Now the healing time.  Trying to get back into my daily routine to pay bills, laundry, etc and what I miss most.  Playing clarinet in band.  I had to miss two rehearsals this week. I feel a little better knowing some of you will read this and relate.  You have to walk in the shoes of someone with CD to really understand the emotional toll it takes on the mind. Thanks for hearing my story. Tony

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Going Broke Buying Macadamia Nuts

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found mac nuts (roasted, lightly salted) at costco last night, 24oz for 9.99. yummy!

My problem exactly!  Too yummy.  Thankfully my costco was out today and I got the almonds.  I also got what looks like a great berry mix, frozen — rasberries, blackberries and blueberries. MJ

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This brings up a question: I know not everyone here is on Atkins, but I seem to remember that he specifically stated to use only raw (not dry roasted) nuts. I have never really checked the count differences between the two as I had access to the raw ones. Is there a difference? Does anyone else just use the raw ones? Any idea why he said to use the raw and not the roasted if there is no difference? Julie

 I don’t remember seeing that but it could have to do with sodium content.  1/4 cup of Sunkist dry roasted almonds has 115 grams. -Gina

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I don’t remember seeing that but it could have to do with sodium content. 1/4 cup of Sunkist dry roasted almonds has 115 grams. -Gina

Typo!  That should be milligrams! -Gina

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You can look up all three (raw, dried salted, dried unsalted) here: http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/?food=nuts%2C+macadamia+%28dry%7Craw%29 It looks like the counts are 1-2% higher for dried, but IMHO only because some of the water has been removed.

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I don’t think you would want to eat raw peanuts or cashews-contain toxins. Henrietta

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Going Broke Buying Macadamia Nuts   Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently.

Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? . . James, do you have a Trader Joe’s or a Costco nearby?  TJ’s is famous for its nuts and things organic at fantastic prices. Costco is a wholesale type store like BJ’s or Sam’s Club. It might be a deal for you if you can repackage them and have the freezer space for these smaller packages.   Gina   Pray for wisdom. Pray for peace.

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And they are higher in fiber than macadamias.

Very true.  :-) Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA) http://community.webshots.com/user/miss_jaime (374/320/???) Cavemen,and that includes you,are well adapted to a diet of meat, fish, fowl, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits.

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Costco carries Mauna Loa -24 oz for $9.95 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going Broke Buying Macadamia Nuts   Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? . . James, do you have a Trader Joe’s or a Costco nearby?  TJ’s is famous for its nuts and things organic at fantastic prices. Costco is a wholesale type store like BJ’s or Sam’s Club. It might be a deal for you if you can repackage them and have the freezer space for these smaller packages.   Gina   Pray for wisdom. Pray for peace.

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Switch to almonds or sunflower seeds — just a bit fewer of them. -jwardl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

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at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

You might want to try pecans or Brazil nuts. S

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I don’t think you would want to eat raw peanuts or

cashews-contain toxins. Henrietta, can you give a source for that?  I eat raw cashews all the time.  I know that the tree can be an irritant (like poison oak), but I don’t think there is a problem with eating the nuts (or fruit, for that matter). I’m not a big peanut fan, but I know they are also eaten raw.  I thought the toxin problem with peanuts was due to a mold present in many bulk peanuts and even some peanut butters??? S

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think you would want to eat raw peanuts or  cashews-contain toxins. Henrietta, can you give a source for that?  I eat raw cashews all the time.  I know that the tree can be an irritant (like poison oak), but I don’t think there is a problem with eating the nuts (or fruit, for that matter). I’m not a big peanut fan, but I know they are also eaten raw.  I thought the toxin problem with peanuts was due to a mold present in many bulk peanuts and even some peanut butters??? S

Yes, Aspergillus toxins have been associated with hepatocellular carcinoma, but usually in association with chronic viral hepatitis. It’s fairly common in peanuts, but traces are found in examination of most all produce.

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found mac nuts (roasted, lightly salted) at costco last night, 24oz for 9.99. yummy! j

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? You might want to try pecans or Brazil nuts. S

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I found raw hazelnuts (filberts) at Trader Joes.  They are plenty crunchy and have significant fiber.  Without having the "OMG, these are too good, give me more" effect of macadamias. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

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Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

Trader Joes carries raw macs for about $5.00 for an 11.5 oz bag. This brings up a question: I know not everyone here is on Atkins, but I seem to remember that he specifically stated to use only raw (not dry roasted) nuts. I have never really checked the count differences between the two as I had access to the raw ones. Is there a difference? Does anyone else just use the raw ones? Any idea why he said to use the raw and not the roasted if there is no difference? Julie

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Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? Raw almonds are not as expensive. Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA) http://community.webshots.com/user/miss_jaime (374/320/???) Cavemen,and that includes you,are well adapted to a diet of meat, fish,

fowl, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits. And they are higher in fiber than macadamias. — Bob ctviggen at rcn dot com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Epsilon Erandi to transmit: Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? USDA numbers     per oz                    carbs         fiber      net   blk walnuts–                 2.8          1.9       0.9 macadamias–             3.6          2.3       1.3 hazel (filbet)–               4.7          2.7       2.0 eng walnuts–                3.8          1.8       2.0 brazil–                           3.6          1.5       2.1 butternuts–                    3.4          1.3       2.1 almonds–                      5.5          3.3       2.2 coconut (dry, unsweet)– 6.9       4.6       2.3 peanut–                         6.0          2.2       3.8 pecans–                      14.9        10.3      4.6 pistachio–                     7.6          2.9       4.7

Did you mix some numbers up?  I just double checked USDA carb counter.  Pecans roasted in oil and salted are 3.69 carbs less 2.69 fiber for a net of 1.0 per ounce (approx. 15 halves). BillJ

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Epsilon Erandi to transmit: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Epsilon Erandi to transmit: Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas? USDA numbers     per oz                    carbs         fiber      net   blk walnuts–                 2.8          1.9       0.9 macadamias–             3.6          2.3       1.3 hazel (filbet)–               4.7          2.7       2.0 eng walnuts–                3.8          1.8       2.0 brazil–                           3.6          1.5       2.1 butternuts–                    3.4          1.3       2.1 almonds–                      5.5          3.3       2.2 coconut (dry, unsweet)– 6.9       4.6       2.3 peanut–                         6.0          2.2       3.8 pecans–                      14.9        10.3      4.6 pistachio–                     7.6          2.9       4.7 Did you mix some numbers up?  I just double checked USDA carb counter.  Pecans roasted in oil and salted are 3.69 carbs less 2.69 fiber for a net of 1.0 per ounce (approx. 15 halves). BillJ

I used dry roasted, salted.  However the numbers are for a half cup rather than an ounce (oops). You’re right, net carbs is 1.2, thanks for catching the mistake. — revek Absolute power may corrupt absolutely, but miniscule power seems to render people insane.  Trey

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Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

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Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

Raw almonds are not as expensive. Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA) http://community.webshots.com/user/miss_jaime (374/320/???) Cavemen,and that includes you,are well adapted to a diet of meat, fish, fowl, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits.

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I buy Mauna Loa Macadamias at Wal-Mart.  6.5 oz. jar is $4.95. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

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Epsilon Erandi to transmit: Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

USDA numbers      per oz                    carbs         fiber      net   blk walnuts–                 2.8          1.9       0.9 macadamias–             3.6          2.3       1.3 hazel (filbet)–               4.7          2.7       2.0 eng walnuts–                3.8          1.8       2.0 brazil–                           3.6          1.5       2.1 butternuts–                    3.4          1.3       2.1 almonds–                      5.5          3.3       2.2 coconut (dry, unsweet)– 6.9       4.6       2.3 peanut–                         6.0          2.2       3.8 pecans–                      14.9        10.3      4.6 pistachio–                     7.6          2.9       4.7 looks to me like black walnut is the lowest carb but I’m guessing its hideously expensive considering what a pain it is to remove it from its shell^^^ concrete prison. — revek Into every life, some carbs must fall.  Reb

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What are butternuts? -Gina

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terraforming Epsilon Erandi to transmit: What are butternuts? -Gina

Ooops !! Its a squash.   — revek Is no rat! Is rare siberian hamster!

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Checkout www.nutsite.com.  I’ve bought pecans there a couple times.  You have to buy either 5 lb or 25 lb but you can store them in the freezer for a year or more. BillJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anyone noticed the price increase on Macadamia nuts recently. Mauna Loas are $7.99 at Target. I can still get a pound bag for $6.99 at the grocery but there has to be some other nut out there with low carbs that cost less. Any ideas?

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Anyone had this?

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Well, the (covering) Doctor just called and suggested I go to the ophthalmologist. She was unaware of the study Pizaneene sent, but said retinal damage would probably be associated with blurred vision, blind spots etc. That was one scary study, though. It’s about time for my yearly check (not really, but I’m going anyway). The peepers are feeling a little better today,  Thanks for the support!!

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Right on, Steve!! http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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You’ve been watching too many Star Trek reruns, Geb.  Put some good music on, go sit on the porch, and close your eyes for awhile.  :-)  Elm o http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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Well, I do. Went to the optho today… on everyone’s suggestion. He said I have a "roaring case of blepharitis" "Blepharitis is a chronic or long term inflammation of the eyelids and eyelashes, affecting people of all ages. Among the most common causes are poor eyelid hygiene; excess oil produced by the glands in the eyelids; a bacterial infection; or an allergic reaction. " Poor eyelid hygiene?? I asked him if it was related to the tx, and he said tx can change the body chemistry just enough to push this type of thing.  Now I get to do antibiotic eyedrops 4x day.  The good news… no internal or retinal damage. Yesssss. Thanks for the push. Steve "SteveS" <sspr…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message

news:6lR4a.122710$ce4.31346972@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2 days after shot #4 (pegasys), I got muscle ache in my eyes. > Like if I move my eyes instead of my head, I get hurt. > It’s been going on 3 days now and, being diabetic, I thought I’d check with > the group. > Yes, it could be worse, no, they don’t offend me (so I’m not plucking em > out). > Steve

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Hi Steve,     Good to see you dont have anything serious. I got belpharitis on the treatment over two years ago, still have it. I tried all the steriods, and had to stop them since they can cause major eye problems. Hope it clears up for you!!! Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: Anyone had this? >From: "SteveS" sspr…@socal.rr.com >Date: 2/21/2003 8:34 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <EsA5a.132605$ce4.34920…@twister.socal.rr.com> >Well, I do. >Went to the optho today… on everyone’s suggestion. >He said I have a "roaring case of blepharitis" >"Blepharitis is a chronic or long term inflammation of the eyelids and >eyelashes, affecting people of all ages. Among the most common causes are >poor eyelid hygiene; excess oil produced by the glands in the eyelids; a >bacterial infection; or an allergic reaction. " >Poor eyelid hygiene?? >I asked him if it was related to the tx, and he said tx can change the body >chemistry just enough to push this type of thing.  Now I get to do >antibiotic eyedrops 4x day.  The good news… no internal or retinal damage. >Yesssss. >Thanks for the push. >Steve

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You mean nobody ever told you that you’re supposed to floss your eyelids at least once a day?  C’mon, Steve!!  Where you been, man?  Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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>"Blepharitis is a chronic or long term inflammation of the eyelids

I hear that’s a doosey to rid yourself of. Good Luck. eileen

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Elmo, This is just like the "Very Elite Friday Night Shooters Club". It should be a standard posting here. I blame the group for not keeping me informed about the latest in eyelid hygiene. But, like tx, I’m not sure I’d do the flossing twice.  I found it too painful. Do you think I could use a waterpick to get the lids clean?? Steve  :) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:26353-3E579BE1-172@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You mean nobody ever told you that you’re supposed to floss your eyelids > at least once a day?  C’mon, Steve!!  Where you been, man?  Elmo > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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<elmo wrote … > You mean nobody ever told you that you’re supposed to floss your eyelids > at least once a day?  C’mon, Steve!!  Where you been, man?  Elmo

Didn’t someone once recommend ocular enemas?

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Yeah, man!  But you gotta do both the water pic and floss twice daily. If you don’t keep up, you may need eyeball replacement eventually.   http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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Yeah, Spidey!  Ocular enemas are the recommended treatment of choice to get rid of all the shit in our eyes. http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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<elmo wrote … > Yeah, Spidey!  Ocular enemas are the recommended treatment of choice to > get rid of all the shit in our eyes.

I’m gonna ask my doc for a brain enema!

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Brain enemas are administered in one ear, then they drain out thru the other ear. It gets rid of earwax at the same time.  You know the enema is finished when you hear tiny little brain farts.  They’re called ‘freeps’.  It sounds very similar to noise made if you were farting helium gas from your colon.  You know, very high pitched……as if it was Donald Duck farting.   Anyway, Spidey, that’s all the poop I have regarding brain enemas.  I’ll search for more info later.  Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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SteveS wrote … > Well, I do. > Went to the optho today… on everyone’s suggestion. > He said I have a "roaring case of blepharitis" > "Blepharitis is a chronic or long term inflammation of the eyelids and > eyelashes, affecting people of all ages. Among the most common causes are > poor eyelid hygiene; excess oil produced by the glands in the eyelids; a > bacterial infection; or an allergic reaction. "

Inflamation of the *EYELASHES*??? That one’s a little hard to swallow, lol, but it will get worse if Elmo reads this… he’ll work pubic hair into the story somehow. Geesh, Steve, look what you’ve started! Waterspider

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<elmo> wrote … > Brain enemas are administered in one ear, then they drain out thru the > other ear. It gets rid of earwax at the same time.  You know the enema > is finished when you hear tiny little brain farts.  They’re called > ‘freeps’.  It sounds very similar to noise made if you were farting > helium gas from your colon.  You know, very high pitched……as if it > was Donald Duck farting.   Anyway, Spidey, that’s all the poop I have > regarding brain enemas.  I’ll search for more info later.  Elmo

Thanks for the info Doc, if you don’t mind I need some more advice: I’ve never taken a brain enema and I have freeps every day. I think they build up through the week and create that thick, cloying "freep fog" I get every weekend. Is there anything I can do to relieve the pressure from the freeps so it doesn’t build up so much and cause freep fog? TIA, Waterspider

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When I take the shot Friday night at 10PM, I get the’flu’ complete with fever and chills starting Saturday about noon, the fever tapers off from 101 to normal by Monday night. I’ve had all the joint aches, but this is the first time in the eyes, and the fever is gone. I called the Doc, but they didn’t get back to me (today). I think I get better advice from you guys. If it doesn’t go away in another couple of days I’ll show them the "irritable" side effects. Elmo.. I really enjoyed your winter wonderland.  We lost one of my favorite trees here to the pouring rain.  They say it never rains in California.  But it pours. Steve <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:17666-3E542E27-77@storefull-2311.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, Steve!  The interferon messes with the intraocular pressure in your > eyes causing visual problems.  Your eyesight will fluctuate and maybe > that’s causing your problem.  You should tell your doc and should have > your eyes checked.  Just a suggestion!  :-)  Elmo. > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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Hi Steve, Not only does the interferon play with ocular pressure but so does the diabetes. My wife is going through that right now. We have 6 different powers of contacts for her and one works on one day and next it’s either stronger or weaker. Shawn "SteveS" <sspr…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message

news:Dt_4a.124196$ce4.32104430@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I take the shot Friday night at 10PM, I get the’flu’ complete with > fever and chills starting Saturday about noon, the fever tapers off from 101 > to normal by Monday night. > I’ve had all the joint aches, but this is the first time in the eyes, and > the fever is gone. > I called the Doc, but they didn’t get back to me (today). > I think I get better advice from you guys. > If it doesn’t go away in another couple of days I’ll show them the > "irritable" side effects. > Elmo.. I really enjoyed your winter wonderland.  We lost one of my favorite > trees here to the pouring rain.  They say it never rains in California. But > it pours. > Steve > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:17666-3E542E27-77@storefull-2311.public.lawson.webtv.net… > > Hey, Steve!  The interferon messes with the intraocular pressure in your > > eyes causing visual problems.  Your eyesight will fluctuate and maybe > > that’s causing your problem.  You should tell your doc and should have > > your eyes checked.  Just a suggestion!  :-)  Elmo. > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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My eyes have been hurting too.  I don’t know if it is from the medicine or from watching too much TV and computer.  That’s about all I do.  Last night I sat on the porch and looked up at the sky instead of watching TV.  I felt a little better; but still had terrible dreams when I finally fell asleep. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -SteveS wrote: > 2 days after shot #4 (pegasys), I got muscle ache in my eyes. > Like if I move my eyes instead of my head, I get hurt. > It’s been going on 3 days now and, being diabetic, I thought I’d check with > the group. > Yes, it could be worse, no, they don’t offend me (so I’m not plucking em > out). > Steve

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On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:57:54 GMT, "SteveS" <sspr…@socal.rr.com> wrote: >2 days after shot #4 (pegasys), I got muscle ache in my eyes. >Like if I move my eyes instead of my head, I get hurt. >It’s been going on 3 days now and, being diabetic, I thought I’d check with >the group.

I have  the same problem. Spoke to both my PC and Gastro about this. Both said it was related to tx and to let them know if it got worse. I’m at shot 14 this time and the pain is almost gone. This is my second time on tx and I had it the first time too. Let your Docs know. Good Luck Ed

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Steve, This eye problem can be big time trouble. Go have your eyes checked today. Anyone with Diabetes should have eyes checked whenever there is the slightest problem, put Interferon in the mix and it could be serious including retinal hemorrhage . Read below link. Retinal Complications During Interferon Therapy for Chronic Hepatitis C http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7563/eyeand02.html eileen

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After it pours rain in southern CA, 3 days later it snows like hell in New England. LOL  Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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SteveS wrote … > When I take the shot Friday night at 10PM, I get the’flu’ complete with > fever and chills starting Saturday about noon, the fever tapers off from 101 > to normal by Monday night. > I’ve had all the joint aches, but this is the first time in the eyes, and > the fever is gone. > I called the Doc, but they didn’t get back to me (today). > I think I get better advice from you guys.

My weekend goes pretty much like yours, plus a headache, and with that, yes, my eyes hurt, my teeth hurt, hell, my *hair* even hurts, lol! The only eye side-effect I’ve noticed is my vision blurs sometimes and my eyes feel "scratchy" quite often. That may be part of the dry skin thing though. Let us know what your doc says; I’m curious. > If it doesn’t go away in another couple of days I’ll show them the > "irritable" side effects.

LOL! I can *so* identify with that one! Waterspider

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Hey, Steve!  The interferon messes with the intraocular pressure in your eyes causing visual problems.  Your eyesight will fluctuate and maybe that’s causing your problem.  You should tell your doc and should have your eyes checked.  Just a suggestion!  :-)  Elmo. http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/ABandisBorn http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/Blizzardof03

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2 days after shot #4 (pegasys), I got muscle ache in my eyes. Like if I move my eyes instead of my head, I get hurt. It’s been going on 3 days now and, being diabetic, I thought I’d check with the group. Yes, it could be worse, no, they don’t offend me (so I’m not plucking em out). Steve

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Are you by any chance running a fever?  Even a mild one?  That would explain it. "SteveS" <sspr…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message

news:6lR4a.122710$ce4.31346972@twister.socal.rr.com… > 2 days after shot #4 (pegasys), I got muscle ache in my eyes. > Like if I move my eyes instead of my head, I get hurt. > It’s been going on 3 days now and, being diabetic, I thought I’d check with > the group. > Yes, it could be worse, no, they don’t offend me (so I’m not plucking em > out). > Steve

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The Beginning of a National Nightmare?

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Well there’s always the experimental vaccines that were used on Desert Storm Soldiers, that only dates from 10 years ago.  Current enough for you? — All of this is sacred, and so do not forget. Every dawn as it comes is a holy event, and every day is holy, for the light comes from Wakan-Tanka and also you must always remember that the two-leggeds and four-leggeds and no-leggeds and all other peoples who stand upon this earth are sacred and should be treated as such. Winyan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Syphyllis experiment where black with syphyllis went untreated "to observe course of disease." CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting citizens. Military experimenting on soldiers without knowledge or permission. Anything newer than this?  The syphilis experiment (the Tuskeegee Experiment) happened from 1932-1972. The CIA reference was, I assume, referring to the LSD tests, which happened from the middle fifties to the middle sixties. The military experimentation on soldiers, since you give it no further i.d., I am assuming refers to the nuclear bomb tests wherein the soldiers were told the radiation was harmless.  This happened in the late 40’s to early 50’s. The fact that the newest reference you can come up with is almost 30 years old speaks volumes. What about torturing people outside our borders?  In 1992 a Catholic nun complained of having been abducted and taken to a private CIA sponsored jail in Guatamala where she was raped repeatedly until a CIA boss came by and ordered her release. In the 1980s the Citizens Commission on human rights fought to get records on CIA experiements on Canadian mental patients involviong shock treatments, and questioning under sodium pentathol.  Once exposed, the government was forced to pay damages to Canadian families. Do we really have to "take the cuffs off" of the cIA? These are some basic truths about our society today. Look around, see for yourself. I am not going to be sidetracked into the wasted effort of "proving" these things here for people who will not listen anyway [but please see the additional reading section]. Listen to me, listen to the press, listen to the government. Who do you believe? I believe that you do not want to be sidetrachet by proving your statements because you…….CANNOT 1. The United States Government tortures its own citizens. Just give us one examole   JUST ONE Syphyllis experiment where black with syphyllis went untreated "to observe course of disease." CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting citizens. Military experimenting on soldiers without knowledge or permission. Anything newer than this?  The syphilis experiment (the Tuskeegee Experiment) happened from 1932-1972. The CIA reference was, I assume, referring to the LSD tests, which happened from the middle fifties to the middle sixties. The military experimentation on soldiers, since you give it no further i.d., I am assuming refers to the nuclear bomb tests wherein the soldiers were told the radiation was harmless.  This happened in the late 40’s to early 50’s. The fact that the newest reference you can come up with is almost 30 years old speaks volumes. We go around the world talking about human rights, but agents of the U.S. government have not hesitated to commit the most vicious crimes against humanity right here at home One crime example….JUSTONE Cointelpro program blackmailing "dissidents" like MLK to shut them up. FBI transporting Klansmen to lynchings. It didn’t work with MLK.  He was far from silent.   He had an FBI file, it’s true.  But then, so do I. I would be interested in knowing where you found the Klan/FBI info.  I couldn’t. 2. The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of paper to covert thugs. Do you really think so.In that case someone might throw your ass in jail for this traitorus swill. 1 – The way USA’s heading, this is a real possibilty. 2 – You misspelled traitorous. 3 – Dissent is not disloyalty. None of this answers the question.   How is the Constitution as you describe it?   What covert thugs are you talking about?   How do these thugs sidestep the Constitution?  Proof, please, not empty accusation. And while this person misspelled traitorous, you misspelled syphillis. So I’d say you’re even on that one. And legally speaking if you can not prove it happened it did not. ROTFL!! You are part of the problem. Believing that proof is required to establish a fact is a problem for you? Ah but you are a parinoid kook,the only reason you can publish this idiotic nonsense is,you are protected by the US constitution As he should be. How long will this last? It’s lasted 200 years so far.  I think it will outlast you. Wow I dont believe you,you know which laws are bad and which are good,tell us who these powerful people are who cause all this suffering. Yor ranting is getting to the point where you scare me,I really did not think there were fruitcakes in the world who thought like this. Why don’t you go stand in line somewhere? Put up or shut up,  I believe it goes.   If you know about all this stuff that no one else seems to have access to, aren’t you doing your country and your fellow citizens a grave disservice by not coming forward with the information? [interminable blah-blah snipped] The CIA got us into this, why the FUCK should we expect them to get us out of it? The CIA did not get us into this.  The CIA has been so gutted for so long that it didn’t have the wherewithall to keep an eye on those who did in fact get us into this.   Terrorists got us here.   The CIA didn’t fly those planes into those buildings, terrorists did.  If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s hear it. — "Unity is plural and, at minimum, is two."  R. Buckminster Fuller

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Syphyllis experiment where black with syphyllis went untreated "to observe course of disease." CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting citizens. Military experimenting on soldiers without knowledge or permission. Anything newer than this?   The fact that the newest reference you can come up with is almost 30 years old speaks volumes.

Here’s something for you: Now let’s skip ahead to the 1990s. Many thousands of American soldiers came home from the Gulf War with unusual, debilitating ailments. Exposure to harmful chemical or biological agents was suspected, but the Pentagon denied that this had occurred. Years went by while the Gls suffered terribly: neurological problems, chronic fatigue, skin problems, scarred lungs, rnemory loss, muscle and joint pain, severe headaches, personality changes, passing out and much more. Eventually, the Pentagon, inch by inch, was forced to move away from its denials and admit that, yes, chemical weapon depots had been bombed; then, yes, there probably were releases of the deadly poisons; then, yes, American servicemen were indeed in the vicinity of these poisonous releases, 400 soldiers; then, it might have been 5,000; then, "a very large number", probably more than 15,000 – then, finally, a precise number-20,867; then, "The Pentagon announced that a longawaited computer model estimates that nearly 100,000 U.S. soldiers could have been exposed to trace amounts of sarin gas…" Soldiers were also forced to take vaccines against anthrax and nerve gas not approved by the FDA as safe and effective, and punished, sometimes treated like criminals, if they refused. (During World War II, US soldiers were forced to take a yellow fever vaccine, with the result that some 330,000 of them were infected with the hepatitis B virus. Finally, in late 1999, almost nine years after the Gulf War’s end, the Defense Department announced that a drug given to soldiers to protect them against a particular nerve gas, "cannot be ruled out" as a cause of lingering illnesses in some veterans. The Pentagon brass, moreover, did not wam American soldiers of the grave danger of being in close proximity to expended depleted uranium weapons on the battlefield. If the Pentagon had been much more forthcoming from the outset about what it knew all along about these various substances and weapons, the soldiers might have had a proper diagnosis early on and received appropriate care sooner. The cost in terms of human suffering was incalculable. One gauge of that cost may lie in the estimate that one-third of the homeless in America are military veterans. And in the decades between the 1940s and 1990s, what do we find? A remarkable variety of govemment programs, either formally, or in effect, using soldiers as guinea pigs – marched to nuclear explosion sites, with pilots then sent through the mushroom clouds; subjected to chemical and biological weapons experiments; radiation experiments; behavior modification experiments that washed their brains with LSD exposure to the dioxin of Agent Orange in Korea and Vietnam…the list goes on…literally millions of experimental subjects, seldom given a choice or adequate information, often with disastrous effects to their physical and/or mental health, rarely with proper medical care or even monitoring. from the book Rogue State by William Blum Common Courage Press, 2000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Syphyllis experiment where black with syphyllis went untreated "to observe course of disease." CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting citizens. Military experimenting on soldiers without knowledge or permission. Anything newer than this?  The syphilis experiment (the Tuskeegee Experiment) happened from 1932-1972. The CIA reference was, I assume, referring to the LSD tests, which happened from the middle fifties to the middle sixties. The military experimentation on soldiers, since you give it no further i.d., I am assuming refers to the nuclear bomb tests wherein the soldiers were told the radiation was harmless.  This happened in the late 40’s to early 50’s. The fact that the newest reference you can come up with is almost 30 years old speaks volumes.

What about torturing people outside our borders?  In 1992 a Catholic nun complained of having been abducted and taken to a private CIA sponsored jail in Guatamala where she was raped repeatedly until a CIA boss came by and ordered her release. In the 1980s the Citizens Commission on human rights fought to get records on CIA experiements on Canadian mental patients involviong shock treatments, and questioning under sodium pentathol.  Once exposed, the government was forced to pay damages to Canadian families. Do we really have to "take the cuffs off" of the cIA? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are some basic truths about our society today. Look around, see for yourself. I am not going to be sidetracked into the wasted effort of "proving" these things here for people who will not listen anyway [but please see the additional reading section]. Listen to me, listen to the press, listen to the government. Who do you believe? I believe that you do not want to be sidetrachet by proving your statements because you…….CANNOT 1. The United States Government tortures its own citizens. Just give us one examole   JUST ONE Syphyllis experiment where black with syphyllis went untreated "to observe course of disease." CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting citizens. Military experimenting on soldiers without knowledge or permission. Anything newer than this?  The syphilis experiment (the Tuskeegee Experiment) happened from 1932-1972. The CIA reference was, I assume, referring to the LSD tests, which happened from the middle fifties to the middle sixties. The military experimentation on soldiers, since you give it no further i.d., I am assuming refers to the nuclear bomb tests wherein the soldiers were told the radiation was harmless.  This happened in the late 40’s to early 50’s. The fact that the newest reference you can come up with is almost 30 years old speaks volumes. We go around the world talking about human rights, but agents of the U.S. government have not hesitated to commit the most vicious crimes against humanity right here at home One crime example….JUSTONE Cointelpro program blackmailing "dissidents" like MLK to shut them up. FBI transporting Klansmen to lynchings. It didn’t work with MLK.  He was far from silent.   He had an FBI file, it’s true.  But then, so do I. I would be interested in knowing where you found the Klan/FBI info.  I couldn’t. 2. The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of paper to covert thugs. Do you really think so.In that case someone might throw your ass in jail for this traitorus swill. 1 – The way USA’s heading, this is a real possibilty. 2 – You misspelled traitorous. 3 – Dissent is not disloyalty. None of this answers the question.   How is the Constitution as you describe it?   What covert thugs are you talking about?   How do these thugs sidestep the Constitution?  Proof, please, not empty accusation. And while this person misspelled traitorous, you misspelled syphillis.   So I’d say you’re even on that one. And legally speaking if you can not prove it happened it did not. ROTFL!! You are part of the problem. Believing that proof is required to establish a fact is a problem for you? Ah but you are a parinoid kook,the only reason you can publish this idiotic nonsense is,you are protected by the US constitution As he should be. How long will this last? It’s lasted 200 years so far.  I think it will outlast you. Wow I dont believe you,you know which laws are bad and which are good,tell us who these powerful people are who cause all this suffering. Yor ranting is getting to the point where you scare me,I really did not think there were fruitcakes in the world who thought like this. Why don’t you go stand in line somewhere? Put up or shut up,  I believe it goes.   If you know about all this stuff that no one else seems to have access to, aren’t you doing your country and your fellow citizens a grave disservice by not coming forward with the information? [interminable blah-blah snipped] The CIA got us into this, why the FUCK should we expect them to get us out of it? The CIA did not get us into this.  The CIA has been so gutted for so long that it didn’t have the wherewithall to keep an eye on those who did in fact get us into this.   Terrorists got us here.   The CIA didn’t fly those planes into those buildings, terrorists did.  If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s hear it. —

disabilty insurance

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does anyone here get social security disablity? i had gotten state NJ disability but that lasts only 6 months for Soc Sec they tell you it has to be permanent or something thats gonna kill you  before they pay you….nice huh

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I may be wrong but I believe that you must have a disability that is expected to last a year or end in death. My situation is not typical for hep C because I draw SS disability but my "qualifying condition" is depression and I qualified prior to the hep C dx. Probably most of the depression problems were symptoms of undiagnosed hep C. I believe that some in the NGs have had problems qualifying based only on a diagnosis of hep C. Since many people have hep C but have no symptoms I suppose that makes sense, so, in my opinion, it is important to stress upon your doc and on whoever you have to deal with along the way that you are unable to work and what symptoms you have that make it impossible for you to work. I can’t speak for anyone else, but my experience was that having qualified for state disability helped in getting SSDI. In fact, when I applied for and was approved in Washington State, I was required to apply for SSDI. My caseworker helped me with the paperwork and red tape. You might want to look at the SSA web site for disability. http://www.ssa.gov/disability/  I haven’t used this site but it has some features that might be helpful in helping figure out the criteria they use for determining eligibility. I suggest that you get an application and apply for an appointment (sometimes this is done by phone). Then get busy and do your homework before your appt. Get copies of as many of your medical records as possible, especially those that were a part of the NJ disability decision. You need to know what they are looking for and be sure that the proper buzz words appear in your application and in information your docs give them. Much good luck to you! Hang in there! Aloha Bonita "TheRobNJD" <therob…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010611034440.29560.00000389@ng-mb1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> does anyone here get social security disablity? > i had gotten state NJ disability but that lasts only 6 months > for Soc Sec they tell you it has to be permanent or something thats gonna kill > you  before they pay you….nice huh

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TheRobNJD wrote: > does anyone here get social security disablity? > i had gotten state NJ disability but that lasts only 6 months > for Soc Sec they tell you it has to be permanent or something thats gonna kill > you  before they pay you….nice huh

I do know that one of the criteria that a doctor must consider for SSI is that the patient has been "disabled" for a minimum of one year and will continue to be "disabled" for a minimum of a year. In other words, the illness has been debilitating and will continue to be debilitating. If they decide that the disability has existed for a year, but not to a serious degree and may get better, they will, at best give you temporary disability.  Most often, they’ll just turn you down flat. They also take into consideration if you are receiving monies from other sources. ~Rosie W.

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Hi, I am now getting SSI, I have chronic hepatitis C and end term cirrhosis also. They also give me a few hundred dollars for each of my children. When you go to your doctor, stress the fatigue, you are to tired to work and must lie down every so many times per day. They will ask your doctor questions and you must sign a release. Anyway, that is how I got it started, for me, it is a lifesaver. Good luck, I hope that it works out for you… SantoBob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TheRobNJD wrote: > does anyone here get social security disablity? > i had gotten state NJ disability but that lasts only 6 months > for Soc Sec they tell you it has to be permanent or something thats gonna kill > you  before they pay you….nice huh

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You have a disability every year. I mean every time when you taking the interferon. You don’t get the unemployment check because you couldn’t work , than you don’t get the SSI because maybe you won’t die. I think you will die. Starving to dead. ~Rosie <shoeboxNOS…@suscom.net> wrote in message

news:3B24BB9C.22A5FFE5@suscom.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> TheRobNJD wrote: > > does anyone here get social security disablity? > > i had gotten state NJ disability but that lasts only 6 months > > for Soc Sec they tell you it has to be permanent or something thats gonna kill > > you  before they pay you….nice huh > I do know that one of the criteria that a doctor must consider for SSI > is that the patient has been "disabled" for a minimum of one year and > will continue to be "disabled" for a minimum of a year. In other words, > the illness has been debilitating and will continue to be debilitating. > If they decide that the disability has existed for a year, but not to a > serious degree and may get better, they will, at best give you temporary > disability.  Most often, they’ll just turn you down flat. They also take > into consideration if you are receiving monies from other sources. > ~Rosie W.

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HepA/B vacc.

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Did anyone ou there with chronic HepC get the vacc. for HepA/B and have complications?  If so, let me know.  Heck… if not, let me know.  I’m still feeling flu-ish after 2 weeks!

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nitebird wrote: > Did anyone ou there with chronic HepC get the vacc. for HepA/B and have > complications?  If so, let me know.  Heck… if not, let me know.  I’m still > feeling flu-ish after 2 weeks!

Hi! Sorry about my english. I have chronic hepC for about ten years. I work with old people, in a Residence, so I get vacc. for Hepatitis B a few years ago. This summer I will travel to south america, so I get the vacc. for hepatitis A. I have had no problems, no complications, no colateral efects. Saludos

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nitebird wrote: > Did anyone ou there with chronic HepC get the vacc. for HepA/B and have > complications?  If so, let me know.  Heck… if not, let me know.  I’m still > feeling flu-ish after 2 weeks!

  Hello nightbird!!!! Hi Iam new to the group!!! yes I also have the dreaded stuff the big ‘C’ WORD yes Ive worked in the Medical Profession for a lot of years, I don’t really know if a got exposed the the BIG ‘C;  thru- that or thru- surgery’s many moon ago! but yes Ive had my shar of the hep B, vacs….  and i never noticed any side affects, but I know that there are suposto show up Posititve for the antibody! in about a month, or sooooo… I guess thats a good thing, but mine always came back negitive for some reason!!!  I don’t really know if that was because of the BIG ‘C’ problem!!!!!  or what!!! but I know thoese who, did have some reactions to it, and yes it does make you fill, like crap for a few day’s or so… but thats about it!! nice to meet you my new friend!!  may health stay with you, my dear!!! smile things could be worse!!  :) singlechick!!!!!!!

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Hi Cindy, They aren’t sure why the hep a/b vaccinces don’t work for some people. My mother in law does hospice home care, she doesn’t have hep in any form but the hep b vaccine didn’t take for her either. I myself have had three series of hep a/b vacc and I still don’t have any antibodies for hep b. The only thing that they Know for sure is that there is a higher failure rate of these vaccines in people who have HCV. My doc explained it in a way that makes sense, because we already have a type of hep then our immune systems are primed against it so that our immune systems attack the vaccine before it can do what it’s supposed to do. This sounds logical, but of course it is nothing more than a guess. The fact is that they still don’t Know, and that doesn’t explain why healthy people don’t have antibodies either after being vaccinated. WolF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cindy millard wrote in message <395533BA.C7B73…@earthlink.net>… >nitebird wrote: >> Did anyone ou there with chronic HepC get the vacc. for HepA/B and have >> complications?  If so, let me know.  Heck… if not, let me know.  I’m still >> feeling flu-ish after 2 weeks! >  Hello nightbird!!!! >Hi Iam new to the group!!! yes I also have the dreaded stuff the big ‘C’ WORD >yes Ive worked in the Medical Profession for a lot of years, I don’t really know >if a got exposed the the BIG ‘C;  thru- that or thru- surgery’s many moon ago! >but yes Ive had my shar of the hep B, vacs….  and i never noticed any side >affects, >but I know that there are suposto show up Posititve for the antibody! in about >a month, or sooooo… I guess thats a good thing, but mine always came back >negitive for some reason!!!  I don’t really know if that was because of the >BIG ‘C’ problem!!!!!  or what!!! but I know thoese who, did have some reactions >to it, and yes it does make you fill, like crap for a few day’s or so… but >thats about >it!! nice to meet you my new friend!!  may health stay with you, my dear!!! >smile things could be worse!!  :) >singlechick!!!!!!!

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